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Post by brickwall on Jan 14, 2021 15:58:11 GMT -7
Exquisite! Just exquisite!
Now we need to see a Klingon or Orion version. At least a Klingon version so as to keep up with the Romulans. Otherwise, the Empire would be at a disadvantage to both the Feds and Romulans. Or even the Kinshaya on the other side of their frontiers.
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Post by brickwall on Jul 20, 2021 22:35:10 GMT -7
Okay, I'd like everyone's opinion on a possible Klingon version of a Claymore or a Little Seeker. It came upon me just now, so it is a VERY rough schematic.
It would be built on the frame of a D-67 Scourge destroyer. The "wing-antennae" would be based on the wing structure of a D-14 Stinger. The antennae would stick out in a similar pattern as the Little Seeker.
It would be in the same class -- Class V -- like the Little Seeker.
What do you all think? How can this be improved? Chime in everyone and thank you all in advance.
BTW, I'd love to see the backstory on the D-67 class. Many thanks again.
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Post by brickwall on Aug 12, 2021 4:51:16 GMT -7
Okay, I'd like everyone's opinion on a possible Klingon version of a Claymore or a Little Seeker. It came upon me just now, so it is a VERY rough schematic.
It would be built on the frame of a D-67 Scourge destroyer. The "wing-antennae" would be based on the wing structure of a D-14 Stinger. The antennae would stick out in a similar pattern as the Little Seeker.
It would be in the same class -- Class V -- like the Little Seeker.
What do you all think? How can this be improved? Chime in everyone and thank you all in advance.
BTW, I'd love to see the backstory on the D-67 class. Many thanks again. Trynda, Atolm, Tinker and everyone else, what do you think? Would the Klingon version of a Claymore or a Little Seeker be a Class V or something bigger or smaller? Would it have a cloaking device as well?
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Post by rarcher on Aug 12, 2021 11:05:15 GMT -7
Ive always been partial to Class VI/VII ships
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 12, 2021 14:47:36 GMT -7
Okay, I'd like everyone's opinion on a possible Klingon version of a Claymore or a Little Seeker. It came upon me just now, so it is a VERY rough schematic.
It would be built on the frame of a D-67 Scourge destroyer. The "wing-antennae" would be based on the wing structure of a D-14 Stinger. The antennae would stick out in a similar pattern as the Little Seeker. It would be in the same class -- Class V -- like the Little Seeker. What do you all think? How can this be improved? Chime in everyone and thank you all in advance. BTW, I'd love to see the backstory on the D-67 class. Many thanks again. I sense a disturbance in the Force. It's as if a hint is being dropped from a great height!
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 12, 2021 15:41:22 GMT -7
OK, here are some thoughts and queries on a Klingon version of the Fed Claymore/Carerra or Romulan S-14 Little Seeker. The basic D-67 hull design is old, going by the stats on Bryans site, with the model D coming into service roughly at the start of the Enterprise five year mission under Kirk. But I like the small size and profile of the vessel, and can see it with sensor sails. So, even if the Klingons decide to modify the newest built hulls, the basic D design is still roughly 25 years old when the S-14 data comes into Starfleet intelligence hands. So do they use the basic hull plan, and come up with new internals to accommodate the new sensor systems? Anyone have any ideas how the Klingons find out? I implied only basic data for the S-14 was obtained by SI undercover operatives, around the time of Star Trek IV. Do they find out about the Carerra or the Little Seeker? Do people invisage more than one variant? It might be possible to up arm the D-67D, and see whether it can get the 22 point cloak. As I always try to write in the SRM style, that is, from a Starfleet perspective, how DOES Starfleet discover the class? And as I wrote the S-14 backstory based on my Carerra design, that's what I might have to come up with. But does someone else want to have a stab at this?
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Post by brickwall on Aug 12, 2021 18:53:50 GMT -7
OK, here are some thoughts and queries on a Klingon version of the Fed Claymore/Carerra or Romulan S-14 Little Seeker. The basic D-67 hull design is old, going by the stats on Bryan's site, with the model D coming into service roughly at the start of the Enterprise five year mission under Kirk. But I like the small size and profile of the vessel, and can see it with sensor sails. So, even if the Klingons decide to modify the newest built hulls, the basic D design is still roughly 25 years old when the S-14 data comes into Starfleet intelligence hands. So do they use the basic hull plan, and come up with new internals to accommodate the new sensor systems? Anyone have any ideas how the Klingons find out? I implied only basic data for the S-14 was obtained by SI undercover operatives, around the time of Star Trek IV. Do they find out about the Carerra or the Little Seeker? Do people envisage more than one variant? It might be possible to up arm the D-67D, and see whether it can get the 22 point cloak. As I always try to write in the SRM style, that is, from a Starfleet perspective, how DOES Starfleet discover the class? And as I wrote the S-14 backstory based on my Carerra design, that's what I might have to come up with. But does someone else want to have a stab at this? My intuition tells me the Klingons might have found out via one of the three technology transfer agreements with the Romulans. Since the D-67 design is THAT old, the Empire might figure they'd sneak out such info in exchange for getting rid of at least some of the A models.
As far as Starfleet Intelligence discovering this latest Klingon surprise, perhaps they got it while investigating something the Orions or the tiny Asperax Confederacy was doing. Perhaps the Empire would have sold something like an "export model" of the D-67, equal to the Soviets selling "export models" of their MI-9 or MI-24 attack helicopters to their allies or interested foreign customers. It seems to lack survivability compared to the Fed's Saladin-class or the Romulan equivalent, but it would fill in the gaps for a solar system's defense needs. One or two wouldn't be threatening enough to warrant either Starfleet's attention or that of the Tal Shiar's. Maybe. Certainly the Orions may be in the market for one or two of them.
I'd still like to see the backstory of the Scourge-class. Probably looks like it would be more useful for internal security. And knowing the Kephans, they'd probably take any the Orions bought off their hands at a discount. Just a guess, nothing more.
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 13, 2021 6:17:34 GMT -7
brickwallOddly enough, after posting last night, the Asperax Confederacy sort of percolated into my head in connection with a possible backstory!
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Post by brickwall on Aug 14, 2021 21:23:14 GMT -7
brickwall Oddly enough, after posting last night, the Asparax Confederacy sort of percolated into my head in connection with a possible backstory! For the curious who never heard of the Asparax Confederacy, here are the links about them from Memory Beta:
And here is the FASA Trek RPG supplement where they are mentioned:
Hope this helps, folks. Many thanks in advance.
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Post by brickwall on Aug 19, 2021 20:33:24 GMT -7
brickwall Oddly enough, after posting last night, the Asperax Confederacy sort of percolated into my head in connection with a possible backstory! Trynda, here's a link to a PDF file to the FASA RPG supplement where the Asperax folks appear:
Go to page 34 of the file. It will give you the background info on the Confederation, their relations with the Feds, Klingons and Orions and more to help with your backstory. Onward and upward!
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 20, 2021 8:43:19 GMT -7
brickwall Oddly enough, after posting last night, the Asperax Confederacy sort of percolated into my head in connection with a possible backstory! Trynda, here's a link to a PDF file to the FASA RPG supplement where the Asperax folks appear: Go to page 34 of the file. It will give you the background info on the Confederation, their relations with the Feds, Klingons and Orions and more to help with your backstory. Onward and upward! I've got that supplement, but thanks for the link nevertheless. This might take a while (upcoming family gathering) trying to get a design of ship stats wise that I like, but I did like the Asparaxian Klingon K-5B gunboats (found mentioned on the Memory Beta link you provided up thread as being Orion captured and sold to the Asparaxians). Food for thought. An idea for the backstory might be beginning to germinate.
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Post by brickwall on Oct 11, 2021 21:17:10 GMT -7
Trynda, I got the new update for the D-67 Scourge-class from Walrus' site. I hope this will help you in writing the backstory for the Asperax scenario. Here it is:
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Notes: Known Sphere Of Operation: Empire-wide use Data Reliability: A Major Date Source: All models in Star Fleet possession
The D-67 is a simple deep-space destroyer design that had served the Empire well for 40 years. The design's simple layout and small size has made it popular with crews despite its crowded interior and lack of recreation facilities. Because it was able to be produced quickly and inexpensively, the D-67 was used in significant numbers against the Federation during the Four-Years War.
The D-67A was first fielded in 2241 and immediately sent into battle against both the Romulans and the Kinshaya, where it fared well in small 3-ship squadrons. The vessels high speed and four main disruptors, coupled with its significant hull reinforcement gave the D-67 an advantage over other destroyers of the era.
By 2246, an improved version, the D-67B was fielded. Improved weapons and shield increased the small destroyers combat capability, but was only seen as a moderate success. Shortly after the beginning of the Four-Years War, the Empire again upgraded the weapons and shield, this time adding a photon torpedo. This gave the D-67D a significant advantage in combat and meant that the destroyer was often in the front-lines of combat.
Despite itβs success, though, the D-67βs days were numbered. As with other designs, its small size and cramped interior meant it was difficult to upgrade with more modern technology.
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OBSERVATION: Since the page doesn't say anything about any D-67 model being sold, traded, destroyed or scrapped, I'd assume these little guys are almost impossible to kill. Hence the class name Scourge. I could see the Asperax looking to buy a squadron of these for their defense. And yes, they'd still be a good model to base their answer to the Claymore and Little Seeker. What do you think?
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Post by trynda1701 on Oct 12, 2021 15:39:38 GMT -7
Trynda, I got the new update for the D-67 Scourge-class from Walrus' site. I hope this will help you in writing the backstory for the Asperax scenario. Here it is: = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Notes: Known Sphere Of Operation: Empire-wide use Data Reliability: A Major Date Source: All models in Star Fleet possession The D-67 is a simple deep-space destroyer design that had served the Empire well for 40 years. The design's simple layout and small size has made it popular with crews despite its crowded interior and lack of recreation facilities. Because it was able to be produced quickly and inexpensively, the D-67 was used in significant numbers against the Federation during the Four-Years War. The D-67A was first fielded in 2241 and immediately sent into battle against both the Romulans and the Kinshaya, where it fared well in small 3-ship squadrons. The vessels high speed and four main disruptors, coupled with its significant hull reinforcement gave the D-67 an advantage over other destroyers of the era. By 2246, an improved version, the D-67B was fielded. Improved weapons and shield increased the small destroyers combat capability, but was only seen as a moderate success. Shortly after the beginning of the Four-Years War, the Empire again upgraded the weapons and shield, this time adding a photon torpedo. This gave the D-67D a significant advantage in combat and meant that the destroyer was often in the front-lines of combat. Despite itβs success, though, the D-67βs days were numbered. As with other designs, its small size and cramped interior meant it was difficult to upgrade with more modern technology. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = OBSERVATION: Since the page doesn't say anything about any D-67 model being sold, traded, destroyed or scrapped, I'd assume these little guys are almost impossible to kill. Hence the class name Scourge. I could see the Asperax looking to buy a squadron of these for their defense. And yes, they'd still be a good model to base their answer to the Claymore and Little Seeker. What do you think?
I haven't seen that basic backstory up on walrusguy site yet. I HAVE come up with a backstory for the sensor sails variant, that could start with that, but haven't designed new design stats for it yet. Trying not to copy the S-14 design is the problem. Bear with me please.
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Post by brickwall on Oct 12, 2021 17:37:25 GMT -7
Trynda, I got the new update for the D-67 Scourge-class from Walrus' site. I hope this will help you in writing the backstory for the Asperax scenario. Here it is: = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Notes: Known Sphere Of Operation: Empire-wide use Data Reliability: A Major Date Source: All models in Star Fleet possession The D-67 is a simple deep-space destroyer design that had served the Empire well for 40 years. The design's simple layout and small size has made it popular with crews despite its crowded interior and lack of recreation facilities. Because it was able to be produced quickly and inexpensively, the D-67 was used in significant numbers against the Federation during the Four-Years War. The D-67A was first fielded in 2241 and immediately sent into battle against both the Romulans and the Kinshaya, where it fared well in small 3-ship squadrons. The vessels high speed and four main disruptors, coupled with its significant hull reinforcement gave the D-67 an advantage over other destroyers of the era. By 2246, an improved version, the D-67B was fielded. Improved weapons and shield increased the small destroyers combat capability, but was only seen as a moderate success. Shortly after the beginning of the Four-Years War, the Empire again upgraded the weapons and shield, this time adding a photon torpedo. This gave the D-67D a significant advantage in combat and meant that the destroyer was often in the front-lines of combat. Despite itβs success, though, the D-67βs days were numbered. As with other designs, its small size and cramped interior meant it was difficult to upgrade with more modern technology. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = OBSERVATION: Since the page doesn't say anything about any D-67 model being sold, traded, destroyed or scrapped, I'd assume these little guys are almost impossible to kill. Hence the class name Scourge. I could see the Asperax looking to buy a squadron of these for their defense. And yes, they'd still be a good model to base their answer to the Claymore and Little Seeker. What do you think?
I haven't seen that basic backstory up on walrusguy site yet. I HAVE come up with a backstory for the sensor sails variant, that could start with that, but haven't designed new design stats for it yet. Trying not to copy the S-14 design is the problem. Bear with me please. No need to worry, no need to rush. Take your time to get it done right as you see fit.
BTW, new addition to the Worlds of the Kephan Unity sub-section. They're a pair of planets the Romulan Outcasts will colonize along with their stats. Please enjoy!
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Post by trynda1701 on Dec 16, 2021 17:31:37 GMT -7
A quick update for my possible designing a Klingon Carerra class on the D-67 hullform.
I haven't forgotten about this, but have been in a bit of a mental funk. That, plus the impending holidays, means that I've not given much more thought yet to the design. As I said before, I HAVE a backstory in mind, but am now waiting till the new year to get back to this.
Just thought I'd bump the thread to keep everyone informed.
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Post by trynda1701 on Jan 26, 2022 13:01:45 GMT -7
OK, so here's the thing. I was starting again tonight, to start to stat out a Klingon variant of an Intelligence ship with sensor sail technology. As I've noted elsewhere, I can't get the various Construction spreadsheets to work, and therefore, I go the old pen and paper route. So, I'm checking what I've got to work with from the D67-D model from walrusguy s' site, and notice something off about the ship stats for the warp drive, and the Construction Manual stats. Checking the Master Equipment List Excel document from his site, I notice different warp speeds on the spreadsheet, but also that the Manual has the same WER figure for two KWB-3 engines as for a single engine! So, how badly out of whack IS the Construction Manual with typos like this in the tables? It's made me doubt EVERY single design I've every come up with, if I've taken the Manual as gospel, and not realised my WER, or IER, or DPC figures might be off! I'm assuming that walrusguy has made some decisions in the past (probably with various playtesters) on his site concerning the progressions of warp speeds available to engines at certain MPRs, hence differences between his lists and the Manual, but the WER is basically the total power of the engine or engines used, multiplied by 1.43, and then divided by the MPR figure. I am SO scunnered by this discovery. I knew the Federation ships were designed before the Construction system was created, and FASA is known for typos, but this one is a bummer. I'd love to hear walrusguy s' thoughts on this, to understand his thoughts processes on any changes made in the past on his site versus the Manual, but this typo issue in the Manual is making me want to scream ARRGGGHHHH! Comments peeps?
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Post by trynda1701 on Feb 7, 2022 19:01:48 GMT -7
Just so folks know, I am still working on the Klingon variant of the sensor sail vessels.
I think I've got a design that makes sense, based on the D-67 style hull, which is kinda tight to improve on, actually.
Plus, I've got a backstory for it, but I keep leaving it a day or so, and then coming back to it, and the text isn't quite flowing correctly for me. Too wordy. But I'm on my third draft, so hopefully soon?
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Post by trynda1701 on Feb 27, 2022 10:32:04 GMT -7
Latest update on the Klingon sensor sail scout. I've got the backstory just about locked in, but I'm waiting to hear a reply to a PM to walrusguy before posting the stats and backstory. Almost there!
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Post by trynda1701 on Mar 26, 2022 18:00:18 GMT -7
Waiting to hear back from walrusguy about permission to use images from his site for the Klingon sensor sail scout.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2022 16:45:18 GMT -7
All during [the large scale illness] people have saying "Believe the science"... I wonder if they are aware that the statement is oxymoronic. These same people ignore genetics and biology.
So we've reaches a point (in 'murica at least) where you only need to "believe" the science you agree with.
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Post by walrusguy on Mar 30, 2022 11:51:21 GMT -7
Finally got off my %^& and sent you a message - sorry for the lengthy delay...I need to start checking this more often!
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Post by trynda1701 on Mar 30, 2022 16:15:01 GMT -7
Finally got off my %^& and sent you a message - sorry for the lengthy delay...I need to start checking this more often! No worries. No doubt keeping up with your ship website takes a LOT of work! On top of real life concerns as well.
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Post by trynda1701 on Apr 10, 2022 13:15:05 GMT -7
So, walrusguy , thoughts on using your images for my Klingon sensor sail design?
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Post by trynda1701 on Apr 10, 2022 19:19:22 GMT -7
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Post by brickwall on Apr 11, 2022 1:28:21 GMT -7
A million congratulations! No pun intended, but I am over the moon happy for you that this is either completed or near-completed!
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