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Post by rabid on Apr 1, 2019 10:15:04 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 10:31:38 GMT -7
I don't own a dog whistle.
I suppose I'm guilty of being a "white nationalist" (but not a White Nationalist) only because I have pride in my nation's achievements (like inventing Star Trek and landing some dudes on the moon), and I'm a white guy (no getting around that one - even with a deep tan, I'm whiter than sour cream).
Those two things alone trigger SJW's into fits of self flagellation. That's why I keep responsibly sourced coloring books and non-toxic, organic soy-based crayons at my desk (but not the red ones...having the red ones around is just begging for more trouble). We have designated the empty cube next to mine as a safe space. It has a soothing desk-fountain and diffused neutral lighting.
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Post by starcruiser on Apr 1, 2019 17:29:10 GMT -7
Until people start looking past the color of someone's skin - this world will be stuck in the past.
Even the SJW types have no ability to see past skin color. They assume if you are white - let alone male - you MUST be a bad person. Never mind the large selection of nice folks that were "white guys" (Fred Rogers, Carl Sagan etc...).
All of them - on BOTH sides (nice people, good people - in the words of the idiot in charge) should pay close attention to this black guy's words:
While I don't completely agree with his socialist beliefs - the basis of this speech still stands on it's own merits.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 18:59:37 GMT -7
I do enjoy watching SJW's engage their brains to figure out ways of justifying their insanity.
Everything is sexist. Everything is racist. Everything is homophobic. They live to figure out how. A bit like a Cardassian mystery novel Everyone is guilty, the question is "of what".
Unfortunately, they are "Believers" who poison everything they touch and set their own cause back years if not decades.
Gonna lump SJW's in with Bretharians, anti-vaccers, and Flat Earthers. Incapable of rational thought or the acceptance of evidence or proof, worse than useless, and ultimately destructive.
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Post by rabid on Apr 1, 2019 20:30:19 GMT -7
Trigger warning this post contains sarcastic/facetious quotation marks.
@ironnerd I know you don't man, i'm not making that accusation at all. Just saying that's how centrist folks are silenced with their racist ideas of "color blindness" and "merit". I get where white privilege comes from and it's still bull shit. You don't have to say one ethnicity had it better to show how one has it bad. I was in the military and I knew the background of most of my buddies. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes but they were very successful people despite the hardships. That said in 25 years of military service I never took note of the color of the person beside me. It didn't matter. These days it's crammed in my face all the time and it can't be healthy.
what bother's me is the ridiculous hypocrisy of it all, and how that old, blatant "red blooded American" racism is still alive an well but now it just has a convenient target.
I REFUSED to watch "Captain Marvel" after brie Larson's comments. Imagine if she had said she wanted fewer 40 year old black dudes to review her movie?
What do you call the people you can mock openly and everyone nods along? A scapegoat.
I guess that's all I have to say about that. It's not changing any time soon, and this ethnic factionalizing (what the generic left calls "Intersectionality") naturally puts people at odds with each other so a plurality can't exist. Instead it creates a genuine self interest among everyone excluded from that calculus...who by the way happen to be the largest majority still. So why shouldn't they vote their own self interest?
I know what I'm saying will be controversial, I'm not alt right (besides they are all big government) but it's just politics. People form up when they know the line is being drawn, that leaves the generic left ostensibly with a shrinking base that can only feed on itself to score intersectionality points. To form coalitions you have to be inclusive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 4:09:18 GMT -7
That said in 25 years of military service I never took note of the color of the person beside me. It didn't matter. These days it's crammed in my face all the time and it can't be healthy. Same boat. In the military and in my civilian jobs, all I cared about was can he do the job? Is he a jerk or non-jerk? " I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." - Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. I hope we can get back to that kind of "radical" thinking. On SJW's other favorite topic; The Patriarchy... [ SUPER TRIGGER ALERT - the following contains Statistics from the US Government] We live in a nation that is 49% male, 51% female. The prisons are 93% male, and men typically receive sentences that are 60% longer than women who commit the same crime. 70% of suicides are white men. 49% of violent crime victims are men, and 63% of those victims are white men. 92% of job related fatalities are men. Men also have a higher instance of mental health disorders, homelessness, and a shorter lifespan. [/ Gov't statistics] I think the ladies have won this fight, they just can't see it for all the rage.
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Post by starcruiser on Apr 2, 2019 11:04:34 GMT -7
Ding ding ding ding... Give that man a cigar!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 10:53:11 GMT -7
Back on topic proper...
Some thoughts on conservatives and liberals. ► Conservatives don't have any good ideas. ► Liberals have really bad ideas.
Any time I get pulled into a political discussion with friends, they assume I LOVE whoever they HATE (and vice versa). I'm not actually emotionally invested with any of them. I look at their record (when I can), find the one who closest resembles my own beliefs, and vote for him/her.
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Post by rabid on Apr 3, 2019 22:39:13 GMT -7
/\ all of this is true.
In fact I'd go one further... Conservatives don't conserve anything. Liberals don't liberate anything or anybody.
Conservatives always want to avoid being "that kind" of conservative. (not that what they would conserve deserves to be conserved if it's artificially protected. So in essence they are and always have been useless.)
Liberals as we have defined, stifle free speech and simultaneously believe in blood crime and thought crime.
I guess if you're the right kind of person a conservative mileau is going to be a lot kinder to you than a modern liberal one. Being a modern liberal sure you don't have to worry about social pressure i.e. for sexual preference but that would be the only freedom you have. Step out of line with overt or implied 'wrongthink' and you're in trouble. It's like the soviet whisperers...you're never off the clock, either. Scary eh?
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Post by starcruiser on Apr 4, 2019 8:20:00 GMT -7
God (there's that word) this is depressing to think about...
Basically, short of a reset button being available, I can't think of any practical way to get American politics out of the mess it's in now. The gullible masses will continue to vote for a Republican or a Democrat because "I have to vote for them, no one else can win!". And, as a result, we all lose...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 12:19:20 GMT -7
Well... is it a revelation then that neither party seems interested in retaining knowledge?
Examples: Conservatives tend to ignore strong evidence of AGCC (Globul warmin'). Liberals tell us that there is no difference between men and women.
Conservatives who respect facts are called "commies" by more conservative Conservatives - who get all the media coverage. Liberals who respect facts are called "Nazis" by more liberal Liberals - who get all the media coverage. Really, when is the last time you saw a sensible guy/gal on the news as anything other that a scared witness to some insanity? And let's face it, the two parties are moving farther and farther apart. In 1968 they were able to see eye-to-eye on the Civil Rights Act. 66% of Democrats (who had a comfortable majority back then) and 80% of Republicans voted for it. Today... The can't agree on something they already agreed upon. It's ridiculous.
We need a strong third party in this country. I've looked at a lot of the "also-rans" and they all have some critical flaws. The Green Party refuses to consider Nuclear power. The Progressive Bull moose Party is closer to my beliefs, but they don't seem to have an energy plan at all.
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Post by starcruiser on Apr 4, 2019 21:10:30 GMT -7
I think the new parties are still trying to figure out how in the heck to get anything done...
The Bull Moose Party (don't you wish Teddy Roosevelt was still around) lacks solid leadership, from what I can tell.
The New Whig Party (no Henry Clay this time) also lacks solid guidance.
The Green Party has been some form of wingnuts for years, just like the Libertarians and don't even bring up the American Communist or Nazi Parties - yikes...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 14:34:08 GMT -7
New Whig party? I gotta look into that.
And YES! I wish we had a guy like Teddy Roosevelt around.
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Post by starcruiser on Apr 5, 2019 19:44:24 GMT -7
Not sure if they are actually a "party" anymore... At least something other than these guys: Looks like they may have downgraded to more of an "Institute" trying to push for reform and change: www.modernwhig.org/Still have a good solid focus on service rather than corruption...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 9:13:46 GMT -7
Looks like the Whig Institute and Bull Moose party both hired the same web page designer.
Interesting that Kim Jong-Um was left out of the party...
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Post by starcruiser on Apr 8, 2019 16:18:12 GMT -7
Well, that's Communist "Classic", not "New"...so...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 8:20:51 GMT -7
So where is the United Federation of Planets in relation to this conversation? Clearly they are pretty Liberal, but it also appears to be a Meritocracy, which is more conservative. The Prime Directive manages to be pretty Conservative as Liberals would support assisting a struggling society (we do it all the time here on Earth). Of course they also have no money and universal healthcare, which seems pretty Liberal.
Here is kind of a heretical notion... You don't have to be one or the other... It is possible to be Liberal in some areas, and Conservative in others.
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Post by starcruiser on Apr 13, 2019 17:40:30 GMT -7
As am I - I'm very conservative where it concerns money, family etc... I'm quite liberal in that I don't think I have the right to tell someone else how to live or that we should ignore those struggling to survive etc...
I believe the UFP is a combo of socialism and enlightened semi-capitalism (regulated) in an age of plentiful resources and energy. There should be no need to struggle to survive. There is no excuse for not providing good health care and education for all. All should be judged as equal in value and all are given every opportunity to succeed.
This may NOT apply completely out in the fringes - the outer edges of Federation territory could still be a bit rough. Otherwise, how do you explain Harcourt Fenton Mudd? Even in the 24th century, there must be rough spots around the edges - Tasha Yar supposedly grew up on a very nasty outlying world.
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Post by rabid on May 15, 2019 20:11:50 GMT -7
As am I - I'm very conservative where it concerns money, family etc... I'm quite liberal in that I don't think I have the right to tell someone else how to live or that we should ignore those struggling to survive etc...
I think "conservatives" would do a lot better if they dropped the "conservative" moniker. I don't care what people do in the privacy of their own homes provided they harm none and don't mess with kids. So I guess I would be a "fiscal" Conservative. Hell I think even conservatives could take "Social liberal" and co-opt it. It's not like anyone is really using that. I think most democrats want an out from identity politics and most conservatives hate the moral preaching the party has become. Just reform the same party under a different name.
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Post by starcruiser on May 16, 2019 12:21:52 GMT -7
Maybe we need a "Realist" party?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 15:15:59 GMT -7
Maybe we need a "Realist" party? Careful... that sort of talk can get you branded a heretic!
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Post by starcruiser on May 17, 2019 6:31:29 GMT -7
Moi? A heretic? MHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Post by cowboy40 on Jun 27, 2019 23:29:21 GMT -7
Thought for today, does this sound familiar to us....
"Pacifism and Communism are common bedfellows in American pulpits, lecture halls and schools.....it hangs in the air like a mist...and forms a canker on the body politics...."
Army Chief of Staff, Gen. Douglas MacArthur, 1932...
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Post by starcruiser on Jun 28, 2019 6:53:18 GMT -7
But, Communists are hardly pacifists. They will do ANYTHING it takes to spread their 'religion', no matter who it hurts...
MacArthur wasn't that great of a general either - he was forced into retirement (twice) for good reason.
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Post by cowboy40 on Jun 28, 2019 8:00:59 GMT -7
Maybe so, but i believe he is correct in his assertions of both being cankers on the American body politics.
Also he was forced into retirement over a difference of opinion with the President in the conduct of the persecution of the Korean mess after China got involved. It wasn't over his tactical ability as a commander. He did accomplish a lot in that area, Something should be said about the facts that after his recall casualty figures for Korea tripled in number...He was canned for political reasons...not generalship.
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