|
|
Post by trekee2018 on Nov 24, 2018 11:03:05 GMT -7
This video contains the earliest mirror empire vessel, the USS Enterprize. I think it's this USS Enterprise, a double masted schooner from 1799.  So by the time Captain Kirk first discovered the mirror universe their empire had existed from the early to late 1700s to ~2350s so we're looking at a 600 year old empire that fell apart after one Vulcan told people to not be meanie heads. |
|
|
|
Post by starcruiser on Nov 24, 2018 20:34:40 GMT -7
I'm not sure they were implying that the "Terran Empire" was established that far back but rather, the events of the past unfolded somewhat...differently...and created the Terran Empire.
When it was actually established...? Don't know.
|
|
|
|
Post by JAFisher44 on Nov 24, 2018 22:09:42 GMT -7
I think that they were just showing Terran history in the mirror universe. They do overlay the TE emblem on the marching WWII era troops but I think that can just be overlooked as propaganda. The flag on the moon is the earliest that the use of the the TE emblem is shown being used "in universe".
|
|
|
|
Post by trekee2018 on Nov 27, 2018 12:19:59 GMT -7
Of course it could all be propaganda and the Terran Empire completely re-wrote history Nineteen Eighty Four style to justify it's existence.
|
|
|
|
Post by starcruiser on Nov 27, 2018 18:16:25 GMT -7
Oh no... The mighty Terran Empire has no need of such subterfuge...  |
|
|
|
Post by Doctor's Authority on Nov 29, 2018 0:18:12 GMT -7
What Deep 69 did with the Mirror Universe is a perfect reason to hate all post-Roddenberry garbage. I'm telling you, as soon as he died they started giving the middle finger to the old stuff.   |
|
|
|
Post by krebizfan on Nov 29, 2018 11:22:59 GMT -7
The actors probably loved the Mirror Universe episodes because it gave them a chance to do something fun.
|
|
|
|
Post by tinker on Nov 30, 2018 5:52:46 GMT -7
The actors probably loved the Mirror Universe episodes because it gave them a chance to do something fun. Agreed. I bet they all had a ball playing these roles. |
|
|
|
Post by trekee2018 on Dec 6, 2018 23:32:23 GMT -7
What Deep 69 did with the Mirror Universe is a perfect reason to hate all post-Roddenberry garbage. I'm telling you, as soon as he died they started giving the middle finger to the old stuff. Deep Space 9 is honestly my favorite series. I appreciate what Roddenberry did for Star Trek and his vision, but ultimately I find that the serialized drama driven approach of Deep Space 9 is far more engaging than anything found in TOS. Not to mention in DS9 the timeline diverted after the end of the TOS mirror universe episode, so that entire plot is completely untouched. DS9 also managed to make the mirror universe actually look dark, rather than slapping mustaches on men and having everyone carry daggers because evil; In the DS9 episodes everyone leads legitimately unhappy and stressful lives. Am I too old to appreciate the old ways? I don't know, but it's food for thought. |
|
|
|
Post by Doctor's Authority on Dec 6, 2018 23:50:34 GMT -7
What Deep 69 did with the Mirror Universe is a perfect reason to hate all post-Roddenberry garbage. I'm telling you, as soon as he died they started giving the middle finger to the old stuff. Deep Space 9 is honestly my favorite series. I appreciate what Roddenberry did for Star Trek and his vision, but ultimately I find that the serialized drama driven approach of Deep Space 9 is far more engaging than anything found in TOS. Not to mention in DS9 the timeline diverted after the end of the TOS mirror universe episode, so that entire plot is completely untouched. DS9 also managed to make the mirror universe actually look dark, rather than slapping mustaches on men and having everyone carry daggers because evil; In the DS9 episodes everyone leads legitimately unhappy and stressful lives. Am I too old to appreciate the old ways? I don't know, but it's food for thought. How is the TOS not serialized drama? One thing I hated about D69 is that they made the Star Trek Universe seem extremely small because everything was concentrated around a single point that was supposedly a backwater. Whereas the true stuff made the universe seem infinite and wondrous. Too old to appreciate the old ways? I don't understand what you mean. |
|
|
|
Post by starcruiser on Dec 7, 2018 10:26:41 GMT -7
I FAR preferred the original series. It did feel like the Enterprise was out there - most of the time (apparently, warp drive was MUCH faster back then though).
|
|
|
|
Post by krebizfan on Dec 7, 2018 18:14:58 GMT -7
TOS is not serialized drama; episodes do not need to be watched in a specific order (except for the two-parter). A serialized drama would have a storyline extending through multiple episodes. The downside of doing a serialized format is being stuck with a dud plot for episode after episode.
|
|
|
|
Post by starcruiser on Dec 8, 2018 9:15:09 GMT -7
TOS is not serialized drama; episodes do not need to be watched in a specific order (except for the two-parter). A serialized drama would have a storyline extending through multiple episodes. The downside of doing a serialized format is being stuck with a dud plot for episode after episode. And that's what went so wrong with ST:Enterprise... A couple of dud plots running far too long. When they abandoned that idiocy (far too late) it started getting better. |
|
|
|
Post by trekee2018 on Dec 8, 2018 17:21:13 GMT -7
Deep Space 9 is honestly my favorite series. I appreciate what Roddenberry did for Star Trek and his vision, but ultimately I find that the serialized drama driven approach of Deep Space 9 is far more engaging than anything found in TOS. Not to mention in DS9 the timeline diverted after the end of the TOS mirror universe episode, so that entire plot is completely untouched. DS9 also managed to make the mirror universe actually look dark, rather than slapping mustaches on men and having everyone carry daggers because evil; In the DS9 episodes everyone leads legitimately unhappy and stressful lives. Am I too old to appreciate the old ways? I don't know, but it's food for thought. How is the TOS not serialized drama? One thing I hated about D69 is that they made the Star Trek Universe seem extremely small because everything was concentrated around a single point that was supposedly a backwater. Whereas the true stuff made the universe seem infinite and wondrous. Too old to appreciate the old ways? I don't understand what you mean. The term 'serialized' basically means there's one story line episode after episode. If that story line is a dud then it kind of sucks to wait through, but when that story line is intriguing it just keeps getting better and better and generally one bad story doesn't make the rest not worth it. TOS isn't serialized though, only the two parters were "serials." |
|
