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Post by cowboy40 on Dec 2, 2018 9:35:21 GMT -7
I published a list here of my favorite ships from the FASA universe not to long ago. I was looking back over it and started to wonder what everyone else's favorite ship from the Kirk era is.
The rules for the list are as follows:
A. By Kirk era, i mean from the period known as the Great Awakening to the TMP era....roughly 2245 to 2290
B. The ships can be from any of the known powers in the Kirk era.
C. The vessels need to be taken from the official FASA books or magazines supported by FASA. (exception: the ships by Franz Joseph can be included, because without his work, we wouldn't have had the beginnings of the expanded universe that FASA gave us. They based some of their ideas of his book) (exception 2: the material from Vintage Starships webpage can be included, most of these ships on that site are mentioned in FASA material...)
D. No fanships allowed....
Remember these era includes the Great Awakening, the Four Years War, TOS and TMP. Ships that have been associated in the late Kirk era FASAverse can include Constellation and Decker classes because the blurbs make if very apparent these ships were designed alongside the Excelsior.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 13:06:20 GMT -7
Excelsior Class.
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Post by JAFisher44 on Dec 2, 2018 14:56:42 GMT -7
Refit Constitution/Enterprise Class
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Post by starcruiser on Dec 2, 2018 18:56:13 GMT -7
Constitution - original and refit. Can't separate the two...
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Post by cowboy40 on Dec 2, 2018 20:35:27 GMT -7
Constitution - original and refit. Can't separate the two... Very true....the same can be said for the D-7 TOS and TMP versions. These are those great ships that made Star Trek. I always found it sad that FASA didn't give the same treatment to the Romulan V-8 "Bird of Prey" vessels. Instead they rebooted Romulan design theory in terms of the looks of the ships...which worked to...love the looks of both the V-27 "Comet of Destruction" and the V-30 "Winged Defender"; these ships from that era have a beauty all their own, but so do the ships of the Romulan fleet during the TOS era...
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Dec 2, 2018 21:09:20 GMT -7
I'm going to go with the venerable D-4 Predator for the Klingons, the Chandley for the Federation (as long as I'm looking at the top view!), and the V-7 Whitewind for the Romulans.
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Post by thescreamingswede on Dec 3, 2018 1:42:45 GMT -7
To me, the original Constitution (and to a similar degree the TMP refit) are a given, kind of like the answer "pay my bills" is to the question "what's the first thing you would do if you won the lottery?". It's a given that doesn't need to be said.
With that established, my personal FASA Federation design is the Loknar, both for its aesthetics and its performance.
The D-10 and the L-9 share top honors for the Klingons.
Though loathed for its terrible stats, the V-8 still does it for me as the quintessential Romulan.
I also love the Gorn BH-2, it just looks like it should be bigger.
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Post by tinker on Dec 3, 2018 6:07:27 GMT -7
One from each SRM:
The Andor
The V-30 Winged Defender
L-42A
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Post by cowboy40 on Dec 3, 2018 14:23:28 GMT -7
i to enjoy the Andor class "missile cruiser", it is a great ship to use in the role of economy of force mission. It can't hold the same ground that say a Constitution, Enterprise or Reliant type cruiser can, but it delivers one hell of a load of firepower for a cheap expenditure in power.
A trio of these ships makes for a great battle group. use them to punch a hole through the enemy front and so on. and if you pair a couple of them up with a Ticonderoga class cruiser and all its phaser power...wow...
I do like the Andor ships a lot!!!!
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Post by atolm on Dec 3, 2018 18:17:31 GMT -7
See this is a toughy, as the canon ships are all loved, but if I had to just go TMP FASA, then they are: Feds: Thufir-Class Roms: Whitewind, and J-3/J-4 tugs/transports, and Graceful-flyer Klinks: G-5/G-6 tugs/transports Gorn: CS-6 Orion: Swift Solaria But out of those my all time fave is gotta be one of the Rom Tugs/Transports, as they are so different and unique.
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Post by bazbaziah on Dec 4, 2018 10:55:20 GMT -7
This is a tough choice. Feds I can't make up my mind between the Andor or Thufir. Klingons D10 Romulans winged defender Orions wanderer Gorn MA6 cruiser (not sure if this is the right designation?
Jim
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Post by tinker on Dec 5, 2018 6:19:29 GMT -7
The Whitewind is a beautiful ship. I love it!
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Post by tinker on Dec 5, 2018 6:27:27 GMT -7
i to enjoy the Andor class "missile cruiser", it is a great ship to use in the role of economy of force mission. It can't hold the same ground that say a Constitution, Enterprise or Reliant type cruiser can, but it delivers one hell of a load of firepower for a cheap expenditure in power. A trio of these ships makes for a great battle group. use them to punch a hole through the enemy front and so on. and if you pair a couple of them up with a Ticonderoga class cruiser and all its phaser power...wow... I do like the Andor ships a lot!!!! The Andor is truly unique, but it sucks raw eggs. I love it because it is a challenging ship to play. The firing charts are the same as those used by the Romulans and Klingons and doesn't have any significant advantages over these other ships, but the Andor lacks any significant firepower outside its frontal arc. In one-on-one combat it is actually quite vulnerable. I would often fight against it (it was a favorite among my friends as well) with a D-7M and it was not unlike clubbing a baby seal. I would power my front shield to 8, arm my torpedoes, put minimum power in my disruptors and pour the rest into movement. All I had to do was make sure I got out of the frontal arc of the Andor and it could only fire one torpedo that causes 8 points of damage. I was immune to any damage and I would slowly pick away at it until it was dead. We would often run a scenario where we would pit one Andor supported by two Lenthals against three D7s (Ms and Ss). It was fairly balanced and a lot of fun to play.
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Post by Doctor's Authority on Dec 6, 2018 23:35:34 GMT -7
My general feeling has been the Northampton. I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. I think FASA made a lot of seriously good designs, but on the other hand they made a lot of mediocre designs. I don't know what to conclude about this.
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Post by tinker on Dec 7, 2018 5:54:34 GMT -7
I love the Northampton - it is among my favorite ships to play...just not number one.
It is a shame that the Chandley got all the love...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2018 17:56:33 GMT -7
Refit Constitution/Enterprise Class It was a cool ship. It was really Scotty's Hot Rod though. While it proved a very capable ship, it was a pain to keep running (from what I have read). The other refits/new Constitutions were a better balance of capability and maintainability.
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Post by Acrid on Dec 9, 2018 14:20:15 GMT -7
I always go back to the D-20 Deathrite cruiser. It's just compact and cool.
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Post by cowboy40 on Jan 14, 2019 18:04:15 GMT -7
I have been giving this some thought before i posted this one. One of my favorite ships that FASA books have is the Constellation class ships, that we have some evidence in FASA that was from the Kirk era. I think FASA went a almost a bit to far though when they broke their own construction rules to produce the stats for this monster in the TNG Officers Manual and the TNG First Season Source Book.
As has been pointed out, she would be very much a rarity in Kirk's era and then be a run of the mill worn out bucket in the TNG era. To make her that super cruiser in the TMP era, FASA allowed four warp necelles to be used as two engines. WOW, what a bend on the rules. This kept her weight down and allowed for a very low weight that kept her in the class XII ships, and hereby having a very efficient movement ratio; if they had followed their own constructions rules she would have most likely have fallen into a class XIV category and suffered from pure movement. This would have made her a more equal ship to other cruisers from the time. I did a revision of the class using Kirk era equipment and construction information that kept her in the rules (using the Master Equipment List) and will she still was top dog. My revision of the ship using Kirk era tech still had 108 power points to use.....given the rest of the ships equipment this was still more then enough to move this class XIV version around the field and compete very well....My ship used the same weapons layout, but I did give her more efficient shields. My version you still have to worry a bit about power distribution. She tends to play along the same lines as a Kirk era Enterprise Mk. III...but she still kicks Romulan and Klingon ass...
Regardless of what version you play..she has a hard hull, good shields, efficient balanced weapons, matched up to an efficient computer system. She would be a shining jewel of the pinnacle in which Federation technology had reached, that enabled her to fight off even enemy battleships. She was almost as good as an Excelsior or Indomitable class ship on the line...
As I said in the Kirk era this would make her a very expensive ship to build...and that means lows numbers....but she was one hell of a killer!!!!
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Post by tinker on Jan 15, 2019 6:16:30 GMT -7
I have been giving this some thought before i posted this one. One of my favorite ships that FASA books have is the Constellation class ships, that we have some evidence in FASA that was from the Kirk era. I think FASA went a almost a bit to far though when they broke their own construction rules to produce the stats for this monster in the TNG Officers Manual and the TNG First Season Source Book. As has been pointed out, she would be very much a rarity in Kirk's era and then be a run of the mill worn out bucket in the TNG era. To make her that super cruiser in the TMP era, FASA allowed four warp necelles to be used as two engines. WOW, what a bend on the rules. This kept her weight down and allowed for a very low weight that kept her in the class XII ships, and hereby having a very efficient movement ratio; if they had followed their own constructions rules she would have most likely have fallen into a class XIV category and suffered from pure movement. This would have made her a more equal ship to other cruisers from the time. I did a revision of the class using Kirk era equipment and construction information that kept her in the rules (using the Master Equipment List) and will she still was top dog. My revision of the ship using Kirk era tech still had 108 power points to use.....given the rest of the ships equipment this was still more then enough to move this class XIV version around the field and compete very well....My ship used the same weapons layout, but I did give her more efficient shields. My version you still have to worry a bit about power distribution. She tends to play along the same lines as a Kirk era Enterprise Mk. III...but she still kicks Romulan and Klingon ass... Regardless of what version you play..she has a hard hull, good shields, efficient balanced weapons, matched up to an efficient computer system. She would be a shining jewel of the pinnacle in which Federation technology had reached, that enabled her to fight off even enemy battleships. She was almost as good as an Excelsior or Indomitable class ship on the line... As I said in the Kirk era this would make her a very expensive ship to build...and that means lows numbers....but she was one hell of a killer!!!! I have to defend FASA's decision concerning the Constellation Class. It is the first (and just one of very few) canon Federation ships equipped with four nacelles (and the later ones didn't appear until long after FASA lost the publishing rights). As far as FASA knew, the Constellation was an anomaly...something they were not likely to ever see again. This ship was a rushed, kit-bashed model to appear in a single episode (the original script called for using TMP Enterprise model instead). For FASA to develop a complete set of rules for this one-off design seemed like a waste of resources (and ultimately would have been). Designing her as a Class XII ship would also be about right. She clearly has more mass than the Enterprise, but those four nacelles are not much larger in volume than the two nacelles found on the Excelsior (those nacelles are truly massive compared the ones found on the Enterprise and Constellation). Given the larger hull size of the Excelsior as well, the Constellation cannot be justified as having a larger displacement than the Excelsior. I think FASA did a pretty good job there. Another factor to consider is that it also opened the door (by giving "permission" in a way) for other ships to be portrayed in the game with unusual design characteristics (both canon and fan-made) and simply have them "count as" a legal design for the purpose of playing the game. The charm of the game was its simplicity and we should respect that. While she should be better than the Enterprise Class, she should be lackluster when compared to the Excelsior. Otherwise, we would not have seen so many of the latter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 8:50:03 GMT -7
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Post by tinker on Jan 16, 2019 6:14:46 GMT -7
Purdy!
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Post by cowboy40 on Jan 16, 2019 16:30:12 GMT -7
Is she suppose to be a cruiser or a frigate...her name emplies she is an explorer...so I am going to treat her has such and design some FASA stats for her make her around coming in service along side the Constitution and Anton class vessels....
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Post by starcruiser on Jan 16, 2019 21:31:01 GMT -7
More of a fast cruiser - if I remember correctly. The design has been around for quite a few years...
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Post by cowboy40 on Jan 17, 2019 1:05:53 GMT -7
Ok here is the first of three planed worksheets on this ship. The sheets will take her up to service in the 2260's. I am making an assumption that this ship would fall in between the Anton class and the Constitution class of ships in terms of exploration and range. Keeping in with the picture of the ship, she has also been optimized as a combat ship...better armed then the Anton, but lesser armed to the Constitution. I am going to put this thing through some tests later to see how she would handle around the opening years of the Four Years War. The Pioneer Mk.I variant shown here on the worksheet would have been put into service around 2244. take a look at the worksheet and tell me what you think of my thoughts on this ship.... Pioneer Mk. 1.xls (63 KB)
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Post by cowboy40 on Jan 17, 2019 19:39:31 GMT -7
Ok here is the first of three planed worksheets on this ship. The sheets will take her up to service in the 2260's. I am making an assumption that this ship would fall in between the Anton class and the Constitution class of ships in terms of exploration and range. Keeping in with the picture of the ship, she has also been optimized as a combat ship...better armed then the Anton, but lesser armed to the Constitution. I am going to put this thing through some tests later to see how she would handle around the opening years of the Four Years War. The Pioneer Mk.I variant shown here on the worksheet would have been put into service around 2244. take a look at the worksheet and tell me what you think of my thoughts on this ship.... View AttachmentI put my Pioneer MK.I to the test in a few FYW fights. She actually holds up well under the battle conditions she would have faced. She is truly an equal to the D-4E. They nearly match up in CE, and that makes for a balanced fight. She also can stand against a D-7A, but she has to use a lot of power in the shields and work up to range on the D-7, while it is peppering he Pioneer with Desrpter fire, but when they get within range, the fight changes when the Star Fleet ship can bring those FAC-3 tubes to bare on the target. They can in the right circumstances deliver a total of 24 points to the target...that usually devastates a D-7. She does run into bad trouble against a D-10. She is a decent ship that is for sure, I would take her into battle Test file for Jason's computer version of the sim UFP-Pioneer-MkI_DW.shp (388 B)
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