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Post by cowboy40 on Jan 10, 2019 11:27:42 GMT -7
I often wonder what sources does everyone use for the ships they play in this wonderful game of ours?
Myself i use the following and a reason for it.
Mainly I use the FASA ships. The reason for that is, simply because if you look at the FASA vessels you will find they thought to keep things balanced. They made some of them very much a challenge to play. They made some that were will very much lemons in concept, but those lemons if handled right still can be useful.
Another source are the ships from the Vintage Starships II website. I mainly use those ships that have been listed in FASA books, but have had very well thought out stats that fall into the rules of FASA...no kick ass weapons...some ships are total junk, but are usable. These ships give us the ability to play around with the Great Awakening period of Star Trek and to some pints...the Romulan War...
Third I use ships from the work of Franz Joseph. his Tech book is great...it gave us information about Star Trek even before we had the RPG and hex game we love. It was before the movies and all...i play adaptations of his ships that fall into the FASA rule sets. Like the Federation class dreadnought, you really can't call her an ubbership. The adaptations i find best are those at Vintage Starship II site again. Here they have taken great care to show her problems in design....
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Post by tinker on Jan 11, 2019 5:58:34 GMT -7
For the most part, I use FASA's ships as well. But I also like to modify them to make them a bit more competitive - especially the Romulan ships and to a slightly lesser extent, the Klingons. I like to see a good, competitive game played between friends and there are only a handful of ships in the SRMs that can really do that. Yes, I think that there should be some mediocre designs and maybe even some bad ones - but I like to see that mediocrity somewhat balanced between the the sides. FASA wanted to make the game a balanced one for play, Paramount wanted the Federation to have a significant advantage. Paramount's vision prevailed. In the end, FASA was instructed to make most of the ships in the Klingon and Romulan SRMs mediocre and for every 'good' design provided, two lemons had to be included. For this reason, I like to tweak (or tinker with - as the inspiration for my screen name) the designs a bit. I don't turn them all into mega, suped-up, killer warships, but I give them enough to make the game more akin to chess than duck hunt.
I also like to make up completely new designs - especially if I find an image of a ship I really like online. Sometimes the image itself inspires me to come up with an interesting design. I like my designs to have 'character' more so than be super-efficient.
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Post by rabid on Jan 11, 2019 14:16:19 GMT -7
"I don't turn them all into mega, suped-up, killer warships, but I give them enough to make the game more akin to chess than duck hunt. Read more: ststcsolda.proboards.com/thread/1036/sources-use-ships-play#ixzz5cKt8rUX7" As long as you make it possible to shoot that $@#*!! Dog. As for me I only use official sources and web pages like this one. I have to like the look of a ship before I'll play it |
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Post by tinker on Jan 12, 2019 6:53:16 GMT -7
I have to like the look of a ship before I'll play it I do tend to avoid the ugly ships most of the time, too. However, I do like the look of the Andorian ships (Thufir and Lenthal) while most of my friends did not. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. |
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Post by cowboy40 on Jan 12, 2019 7:51:24 GMT -7
To me they all have their place on my maps....even the ugly ones...i love the L-13...being big fat ugly and a what some call a lemon....they all have their place in the FASAverse
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Post by rabid on Jan 12, 2019 10:02:04 GMT -7
L-13E is fairly competent. It lays like a frigate.
But I hate the looks of the L-20 (side and front) so I will robably nevertry it.
Weird eh?
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Post by thescreamingswede on Jan 19, 2019 23:46:58 GMT -7
When it comes to incorporating ships into my universe, I am very selective. I will tap from all the sources to find what I think will fit the universe in the most logical manner, but I generally rule out almost 100% of fan designs from most of the online sites. I find most of them overpowered, unrealistic in scope, or downright silly, ridiculous or redundant.
Now this isn't to say that anything I have designed in the past 35 years doesn't fall into those categories either, but a lot of my earlier work doesn't get played either.
Since I also restrict the timeline to the last Original Crew movie (a.k.a. the opening part of Generations), I don't need to worry about any further upgrades to ships like the Excelsior, or additions like the Constellation.
I also restrict choosing ships outside the normal FASA realm based on my ability to acquire or construct a reasonable miniature to represent it on the board. Once I get my own 3D printer (if I'm going to buy non-metal minis, I may as well make my own), that may change to a degree, but probably not as much as one would think.
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Post by thescreamingswede on Jan 19, 2019 23:54:51 GMT -7
To me they all have their place on my maps....even the ugly ones...i love the L-13...being big fat ugly and a what some call a lemon....they all have their place in the FASAverse I believe it was the great 20th century philosopher F. Mercury who once said: "Fat bottomed girls, you make the rockin' world go 'round." I wouldn't call the L-13 ugly though. |
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Post by cowboy40 on Jan 20, 2019 0:33:52 GMT -7
I stay pretty much in the realm of FASA. (FASA material, FASA supported and approved magazine ships). I will use ships that are found over at Vintage Starships II website, but those ships have to be based on materiel that came out of FASA sources like the Four Years War supplement. I all so use ships from Franz Joseph's technical manual, as long as the rendition of the ships I am using are built with the FASA rule system and they don't use that silly shit like mega phasers. (God i hate lazy captains and their use of ubber-weapons). If I add a ship outside these sources, it has to be reworked to fit into its role in FASA....case in point my rendition of the Ares.
I do include Constellation in the very late Kirk era...simply because evidence supports this. So evidence has to also support the use of he ship in the era being played. Again I keep the Constellation well with in the rules of the FASAverse......no f..king heavy phasers or mega phasers...god i really hate those types of weapons.
That is how I source material for play in our groups. btw those ships in the SRM come as they were printed...no modifications to up bring them to a balance...that is what tactics and strategy are for...
Greg Boyington when asked if the thought the F2A Buffalo was so bad, he called it a nice airplane that you had to fly...and he repeated the old phrase...its the poor carpenter who blames his hammer!!!
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Post by trynda1701 on May 8, 2019 14:29:41 GMT -7
Our group when we still played (early 2000s) used the FASA ships augmented with our own designs. There probably weren't too many online ships we knew about back then. Each player had a favourite empire, but I think we all designed for most of them. We probably had some good designs and some uber designs, but probably most groups did that? My favourites, as you all know, were the Orions!  |
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