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Post by trynda1701 on Jul 27, 2017 16:40:33 GMT -7
Or convert a Chandley over to perform hospital duty in hostile areas during a conflict, either on the ground or in space. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch and probably a fairly easy conversion, at least logistics wise.... Oddly enough, I picked up a converted Chandley miniature years ago where someone had shortened the nacelle pylons so the nacelles were much closer to the primary hull, and it's painted up as a medical ship! Give me a a few days and I'll post a picture of it. Plus, how do people think such a Starfleet vessel might be armed, if it were armed? I think it might have minimum armament, with a dedicated escort vessel, a destroyer or light cruiser, like a Baker or Durrett class maybe? Mark Over on the thread about the Baker class stats page, I mentioned I had picked up a converted Chandley class frigate mini done up as a medical ship. Here are the pics of it... Converted Citadel (FASA) Chandley class Frigate mini as a medical ship!As I said, someone shortened the pylons to bring the engine nacelles closer to the primary hull, similar to how the Reliant has them. Here's a picture showing how the struts were cut... I think this works. I could see Starfleet Medical realising the potential of the modular upper hulls of the Chandley being modified to be medical facilities. In fact, compared to the original Chandley class, I think this looks cooler! Here's a comparison... Original Chandley class miniModified Chandley class miniIn the FASA universe, I think that this would work. It could be armed, I think, even if it had escort vessels accompanying it to whatever medical emergency mission it had been assigned to. Being able to defend itself might be necessary, either to get patients to safety, or fend off any unscrupulous pirates or raiders who might see it as an easy target on it's own. How much would drugs and medical equipment be sold for on the black market! Its not safe out there in FASA space!!! So what do people think of this? Mark
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Post by zaarin7 on Jul 28, 2017 8:06:15 GMT -7
Looks cool.
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Jul 28, 2017 18:29:45 GMT -7
Very awesome
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Post by macdevious on Jul 29, 2017 19:11:46 GMT -7
What are them nice nice green for the Raven Killer, color for the Star Raven and the Orion Conversions ? If you mean the green like on the top of the Conqueror and Thunderer minis here... ...I think it was Humbrol Signal Green Acrylic, but I'm away from home, so let me double check Actually I was referring to the green on the Raven Killer, I will add the Humbrol Green to my paint collection
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Post by macdevious on Aug 4, 2017 15:26:04 GMT -7
Does anyone have stats for these different Tholian Ships? Love the work, got to get me some of these, Although I do find them a little more difficult to play than my usual Klingons
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 13, 2017 13:43:19 GMT -7
What are them nice nice green for the Raven Killer, color for the Star Raven and the Orion Conversions ? Sorry I took so long checking for your other answers, macdevious . I've already said the green is Humbrol Signal Green on the Ravenkiller and the Orions. By the way, the Ravenkiller main hull colour, like most of my silver Romulans, is Humbrol Aluminium. And the Star Raven main hull colour is Tamiya XF-18 Medium Blue. I hand painted that one, unlike most of my main hull colours, which I usually spray from cans. Does anyone have stats for these different Tholian Ships? Love the work, got to get me some of these, Although I do find them a little more difficult to play than my usual Klingons I personally have more of my Tholian stats to post, but life has been a bit hectic of late. Note that thescreamingswede has posted his stats elsewhere... ststcsolda.proboards.com/thread/153/theswedes-tholian-shipsI have been working on trying to write my twin hull cruiser back story. I'll try and finish it to my satisfaction and post the stats sometime in the next few weeks.
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 13, 2017 14:29:00 GMT -7
I've taken a few more mini pics with a SFB flavour to potentially use in your FASA games. Irregular Miniatures DYC1 Jaeger Class Frigate, DYC2 Hussar Class Destroyer and DYC3 Ryder Class Light Cruiser in Kzinti colours!Irregular Miniatures DYC4 Harrasser Class Heavy Cruiser and DYC5 Percheron Class Battlecruiser/Dreadnought in Kzinti colours!These minis were created in the mid 90s, and I picked them up in the late 90s from Irregular at a time when the SFB minis weren't readily available in the UK. It was around the time that Task Force Games sold the rights to Steve Coles' new company ADB, and they started to plan the new "Captains Edition" of SFB. I painted mine up as Kzinti, and another of our group painted his up as Hydrans for use in his SFB games! Size comparison of all five minisIn this comparison picture, all five miniatures are lined up with the front of the minis approximately in line with each other to show the exact sizes. We had more recently been trying to come up with rules to fit Kzinti into our FASA games before we stopped playing regularly in the late 2000s. Although I don't have the notes or ships stats, one of our group had came up with a few designs that used three engined ships and torpedo tubes that fired actual drones that flew on the board. We only tried a few test games, and the intimidation tactic that drones achieve in SFB games did work. However, one of the other players noted that as the drones could hit at any point over the whole range they flew (I think they had three turns of endurance), that meant that the drone WDF would go through the roof! That second player then came up with other stats that gave us drone launchers that fired drones that could still fly over multiple turns, but could only attack a vessel when it got within a certain short range of it. I might still have those drone rack stats somewhere, and I will try and find them and post them in my House Rules thread. Mark
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 13, 2017 16:04:54 GMT -7
Another few pictures of SFB miniatures for use in your FASA games if you are interested. This time representing the Lyran Star League. ADB Lyran SL2200 Tiger Cruiser no.1ADB Lyran SL2200 Tiger Class Cruiser no.2ADB Lyran SL2200 Lion Class DreadnoughtRepresenting the hated enemy of the Kzinti in the SFB universe, this second feline race fly catamaran or tri-maran hulls. The first view I had of a Lyran hull was some cover art of a Tiger Class cruiser flying alongside a Klingon D-7 cruiser, and I thought it was some sort of Klingon freighter, because it was seen nearly edge on, had similar engines, and I couldn't see the hull patterns that a lot of the Lyran ships sport, representing different clans. I went with a slightly more camouflage style over making them look like feline cat stripes or spots, but that was because it was something I could paint easier! Again, one of our players made up stats for FASA Lyran ships, and represented the Expanding Sphere Generator device as the Lyrans having torpedo weapons that could either fire as normal torpedoes, OR supplement one of the deflector shields! And again, if I come across any notes I might still have, I'll try and post them. As well as the current pewter SL2400 versions of these ships, ADB have some Lyran ships up on their new developing Shapeways store, as you can see here... www.shapeways.com/shops/amarillo-design-bureau-inc?page%5Bnumber%5D=2&page%5Blimit%5D=48&page%5Border%5D=ascMark
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Post by macdevious on Aug 19, 2017 22:37:43 GMT -7
I've taken a few more mini pics with a SFB flavour to potentially use in your FASA games. Irregular Miniatures DYC1 Jaeger Class Frigate, DYC2 Hussar Class Destroyer and DYC3 Ryder Class Light Cruiser in Kzinti colours!Irregular Miniatures DYC4 Harrasser Class Heavy Cruiser and DYC5 Percheron Class Battlecruiser/Dreadnought in Kzinti colours!These minis were created in the mid 90s, and I picked them up in the late 90s from Irregular at a time when the SFB minis weren't readily available in the UK. It was around the time that Task Force Games sold the rights to Steve Coles' new company ADB, and they started to plan the new "Captains Edition" of SFB. I painted mine up as Kzinti, and another of our group painted his up as Hydrans for use in his SFB games! Size comparison of all five minisIn this comparison picture, all five miniatures are lined up with the front of the minis approximately in line with each other to show the exact sizes. We had more recently been trying to come up with rules to fit Kzinti into our FASA games before we stopped playing regularly in the late 2000s. Although I don't have the notes or ships stats, one of our group had came up with a few designs that used three engined ships and torpedo tubes that fired actual drones that flew on the board. We only tried a few test games, and the intimidation tactic that drones achieve in SFB games did work. However, one of the other players noted that as the drones could hit at any point over the whole range they flew (I think they had three turns of endurance), that meant that the drone WDF would go through the roof! That second player then came up with other stats that gave us drone launchers that fired drones that could still fly over multiple turns, but could only attack a vessel when it got within a certain short range of it. I might still have those drone rack stats somewhere, and I will try and find them and post them in my House Rules thread. Mark Hello would be interested in the drones for sure, I have been tinkering with adding them to FASA GAme for a long time, if you look below I have a Ka'Shen DN sheet that I was convertine from B5 Crossovers back to FASA I used the FP-2 torp for the WF and Tweaked it a little. Tell me what you think!! C-8 "Ka’Shen" Class XIII Dreadnought Type A (2298) SS: 38 Damage Chart: C Total Mass: 209,200 Cargo Capacity: 23,500 mt Control Computer Type: ZD-8 Transporters: 4 6-person 2 small cargo 2 large cargo 8 18-person 2 13-person Crew: 352 Passengers: 35 Troops: 500 Shuttlecraft: 7 Total Power 68 MPR: 5/1 Warp Engine Type: KWE-3 Number: 3 Power Provided: 20 ea Stress Charts: J/M Cruising Speed: Warp 7 Maximum Speed: Warp 8 Impulse Engine Type: KIC-4 Power Provided: 8 Disruptor Type: KD-8 Firing Arcs: 1f, 3 f/p, 3 f/s Firing Chart: U Max Beam Power: 7 Modifiers +2: (1-18) Disruptor Type: KD-6 Firing Arcs: 1f/p, 1f/s Firing Chart: T Max Beam Power: 6 Modifiers +2: (1-18) Phaser Type: KD-2 Firing Arcs: 2 f/p, 2 f/s, 2 a/p, 2 a/s Firing Chart: G Max Beam Power: 4 Modifiers +1: (1-4) Drone Type: KDN-4 Number per rack: 6 Racks: 6 Hex per turn: 4 Endurance: 7 turns Power to Arm: 1 Damage: 16 Shield Type: KSP SPR: 1/3 Max Shield Type: 15 WDF: 66.3(?) D: 113.8(?)
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Post by trynda1701 on Oct 26, 2017 7:55:20 GMT -7
OK doke, a couple of things, folks. macdeviousHaven't found the drone stats I was talking about, life has been very hectic of late. If I find them, I will post them, bear with me on this. Secondly, to everyone. Based on a post that macdevious made in my Orions stats thread here... ststcsolda.proboards.com/post/13359/thread...about Silent Death minis I have used in the past having different names these days, here is my reply about the minis in this matter. I think I might have mentioned in passing in this thread that some of the Silent Death minis had been renamed, with new minis using the old names. Following macdevious' post on the Orion thread, I remembered that I asked Leland R. Erickson (the person who is heading the Silent Death revival) a question over on the Lead Adventure forum a couple of years back. Here is a copy of my question and his reply, explaining the name changes. LAF - September 23, 2015, 10:59:32 PM »
trynda1701 asked:
I have a question for BlackWidowPilot, if I may.
I've used quite a lot of Silent Death minis as starships in my FASA Starship Tactical Combat games over the years. My Klingon, Romulan and Orion fleets have benefited!
What I'd like to know is why were some designs renamed? I know certain designs got updated versions, like the old original metal Salamander, and the newer more flowing design in the plastic boxed set that came out, but why were certain designs renamed, and their original names used on new sculpted designs? I've always been curious since I realized that you can now get SD minis again.
Mark
September 24, 2015, 02:35:20 AM »
BlackWidowPilot replied:
Mark,
when ICE switched the game over to the 2nd edition/Next Millennium rules, *all* of the original 1st edition ship minis were retired as the powers-that-were at the time wanted everything to be rendered in the more flowing design style. All the original ship minis were therefore consigned into limbo, as they were too "anime" for the liking of the powers-that-were.
As things moved into the late 1990s along came two upstart writers from Northern CA who submitted a manuscript for the Silent Death: Fighter Tactics Manual which the then-series editor decided simply had to be published, including the five new ship designs proposed as part of the book's contents. Alas, for various reasons ICE didn't have the financial resources to cover the sculpting costs, so yours truly was forced to go through the original 1st edition minis and give them new personae as FTM "new" ships. Thus the original Pharsii II became the Bat, the original Dart became the Stinger, the original Thunderbird became the Chupacabra, and so on.
As Sheldon Greaves and I continued to write for the series we found ourselves being forced back each time to a shrinking resource pool of 1st edition minis supplemented by the ship designs originally intended for The Prometheans supplement that ultimately went unfinished and unpublished for reasons still not entirely clear. From the later resource pool we were able to fill up the ranks of new ship designs for House Colos, Operation Drydock Vol. II, More than Valor, and by including a judiciously kitbashed master using a 1st and a Next Milennium edition Seraph and one (1) salvageable master for the Saladin-class light carrier the Q'Raj Void Protectorate.
So the long and the short of it is that an editorial decision made aeons ago for a stylistic change in the appearance of the ships away from the original anime-like design aesthetic to the more flowing style of the NM edition Core Ships and those that followed immediately thereafter is what is behind this mish-mash of styles and designs. Personally after the initial frustration wore off at not having my original designs fulfilled as originally promised in favor of recycling old minis, my inner military historian embraced the situation as it is akin to the variance in aircraft design during the World Wars, and it also underscores how different societies will attempt for various reasons to achieve solutions to their military problems using the same general technology yet end up with some very different results stylistically. Cool
Besides, every miniatures gamer knows you never let a perfectly good starship mini go to waste, so feel free to share photos of your Star Trek conversions on our Metal Express Forum's painting section! We don't mind one whit if people adapt our minis to other game systems, as long as you're all having fun Here's a link to the thread over in the Lead Adventure forum... www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=81674.0What I'm going to try and do in the near future is update the posts with the current names, while keeping the original names I know them as. This is to allow that you may see something going cheap on eBay, where someone might advertise it under the old mini name. This way, it keeps everyone straight, and I have my mini thread as up to date as I can make it. Mark
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Post by trynda1701 on Oct 26, 2017 18:12:58 GMT -7
What I'm going to try and do in the near future is update the posts with the current names, while keeping the original names I know them as. This is to allow that you may see something going cheap on eBay, where someone might advertise it under the old mini name. This way, it keeps everyone straight, and I have my mini thread as up to date as I can make it. Mark macdeviousI have now went back through this thread and updated any pic captions with the modern Silent Death names for any minis used, while retaining the original name for reference purposes. There were also a few references in the text of the posts that I updated as well. I've also went through my Orion, Klingon and Romulan ship stats threads and done the same thing. So hopefully that brings the threads more up to date with modern Silent Death miniatures availability. EDIT - For anyone else wanting to use the Silent Death minis, here's the current link to the store, now with pictures available... silent-death.mx/store/Mark
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Post by macdevious on Oct 26, 2017 21:29:12 GMT -7
Yeeshhhh did not realize it was a thing, It is no problem some times when I get the Pics to use as references, I have to make sure I got the right pic for the ship I am actually trying to make, (No worries here, I am sure you will always do a better job than I), I am happy to find put htat I got the right model and not the wrong one. Thanks a gain for setting me back on the right track
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 15, 2017 13:03:14 GMT -7
So, you want to game STSTCS games in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeframe, either using the FASA stats from the TNG manuals and Brads' database, or tinker s' interpretations from here on the forum. Here's some minis you could use to game with. First up, some Micromachines minis. Micromachines Federation Galaxy Class Explorer (original one piece mini), Klingon Vor'cha Class Attack Cruiser and Romulan D'Deridex Class WarbirdThe original three adversaries, TNG style! Here shown with the original one piece Galaxy class mini. Not quite in scale with each other, which will be the same thru the Micromachines range, which came originally in three ship blister packs. But fairly close nevertheless. Even today, you can still get unopened blisters on eBay, or individual ships or groups of individuals without blisters as well.
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 15, 2017 13:19:20 GMT -7
There was a later version of the Galaxy class mini, which had a separating saucer module from the battle section. Here's a pic showing it with the Klingon and Romulan ships from the above post... Micromachines Federation Galaxy Class Explorer (later two piece mini), Klingon Vor'cha Class Attack Cruiser and Romulan D'Deridex Class WarbirdAnd below, here is a comparison of the two Galaxy class minis... Original Galaxy Class Explorer one piece mini and later Galaxy Class two piece miniAs you can see, the two piece mini is a little larger than the original, and more detailed. I know that if you scaled this up, the mini would probably look ridiculous, but at this scale, I think it makes for a better mini. EDIT: Separated two piece Galaxy Class miniHere's a picture showing the two piece mini separated for reference purposes. So if you want, you can have scenarios where they drop the saucer section off as shown in early TNG episodes like "Encounter at Farpoint" or "The Best of Both Worlds".
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 15, 2017 13:30:07 GMT -7
Anticipating that some people won't like the original paint schemes, I tried to update a couple of minis. First off, the Vor'cha class Original paint scheme and inked/drybrushed Vor'cha Attack CruisersHere, I washed the Vor'cha mini on the right in green ink, and then drybrushed it in green and some other small detail work. Original paint scheme and detailed D'Deridex WarbirdsAnd for the Romulan Warbird, I added some color details to break up the solid green of the original mini. Gives it a little more character.
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 15, 2017 14:05:18 GMT -7
So, to help bolster up your Federation Starfleet, what minis can Micromachines supply us with? Micromachines USS Enterprise-B, USS Enterprise-C and USS Enterprise-D!I've shown the Excelsior 'refit' mini before way back on page 1 of this thread, and this pic shows how the minis aren't in proper scale to each other. But as they are so distinctive, personally I'm willing to allow for that in my games. USS Excelsior, USS Enterprise-D and USS SaratogaHere's the Excelsior, Galaxy and Saratoga style variant of the Miranda Class to help strengthen your Starfleet. Nebula Class USS Farragut, USS Enterprise-D and Intrepid Class USS VoyagerThe Nebula Class mini is one of my favorite Micromachines miniatures, it just looks amazing, even if the saucers of it and the Galaxy Class should be the same size in my book. As for the Intrepid Class, the Voyager even has variable warp nacelles!
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 15, 2017 18:09:15 GMT -7
Some more Federation Micromachines for your fleets. USS Defiant, USS Enterprise-D and USS Enterprise-D refit!Yes, the Defiant Class is WAY out of scale, but not mistakable for anything else, and the three engine Enterprise-D from the "All Good Things" finale episode is a beauty! I added a few windows and color touches to the Defiant to more represent the filming miniature, darker blues and such. Sovereign Class USS Enterprise-E and Galaxy Class USS Enterprise-DFinishing out the canon Enterprise lineage, the Sovereign Class mini is a bit of a let down to be honest, but is approximately in scale with the Galaxy Class mini. EDIT: From earlier in the thread on page 1, I forgot about another couple of Micromachines minis that can also be used in the TNG timeframe. Constellation Class Cruiser, Galaxy Class Explorer and Earth Spacedock as TNG StarbaseAlthough we see the Hathaway being used as a decommissioned target for wargames in the episode "Peak Performance", the episode "Elementary, Dear Data" shows the Enterprise-D meet up with the Constellation Class USS Victory, and another Constellation Class was also seen in the picket fleet on the Romulan border in "Redemption, Part 2". So the class is still in use in the TNG era. And, of course, the Earth Spacedock mini footage was used a few times as a Starbase, so we can use this Micromachines mini as well in TNG scenarios.
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 16, 2017 16:26:57 GMT -7
So you wish to represent the Klingon Empire in your STSTCS TNG games? What can Micromachines do for your TNG style Klingon fleets? Micromachines Klingon Bird of Prey HMS Bounty, Vor'cha Class Attack Cruiser and Negh'Var Class WarshipFlanking the Vor'cha Class, we have another Bird of Prey in a more muted green than the original one, as shown below... HMS Bounty Bird of Prey and original Micromachines Bird of Prey...representing the captured Klingon ship from ST4, renamed as HMS Bounty. If you want a more muted paint scheme, this is the one to look out for. We've seen these size minis earlier in the thread, of course, on page 2 for the Klingons. As for the Negh'Var Class, its small, but looking at the version we see against the Galaxy Class Dreadnought, its not too bad. I think however that the version we see in DS9 as the Klingon Flagship attacking the DS9 station is MUCH larger, and we might be able to address that with other minis. I beleive the Attack Wing mini is larger, although I haven't got one of those yet.
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 16, 2017 16:50:57 GMT -7
And for your Romulan TNG fleets, here are minis from two manufacturers to use. Silent Death Epping CA, Micromachines D'Deridex Class Warbird and Micromachines Romulan Scout ShipThe Romulan Scout ship, although portrayed larger than intended in the TNG episode "The Defector", is too large compared to the D'Deridex mini. You could substitute it as a larger cruiser, of course. The Silent Death Epping miniature, looks like a similarly styled mini to the larger D'Deridex mini however, and fits in nicely to Romulan fleets in my eyes. That's why I painted it up as a Romulan TNG cruiser.
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 17, 2017 15:42:02 GMT -7
Here's two minis representing the first new alien starship we saw in TNG in the episode "The Last Outpost", representing everyones favorite larged lobed 'traders', the Ferengi Alliance! Micromachines Ferengi D'Kora Class Marauder, Galaxy Class Explorer and Applause toy company D'Kora MarauderThe mini on the left is the Micromachines mini. The one on the right, slightly larger and slightly more brittle plastic than the MM mini, I got from a SF shop in the UK during the 90s, but I can't remember the manufacturer. So you're more likely to find the Micromachines ones on eBay these days, but it shows that there might be another makes about. EDIT - 25/11/17 : Thanks to kaisernathan1701 for letting me know about the manufacturer of the larger Marauder mini. I have updated the picture header to reflect that.
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 17, 2017 16:20:23 GMT -7
And for the reptillian Space Nazis of the Trek universe, here's two minis for Cardassian scenarios! Cardassian Galor Class Warship, Galaxy Class Explorer and Cardassian 'Obsidian' Warship These are the only two minis that were released for the Cardassian Union by Galoob for Micromachines. The 'Obsidian' Warship is named as the Keldon Class in the DS9 episodes. Although it looks like they just added the top section and extra tail fins to the Galor studio model, it gives us another Cardassian mini for our STSTCS games.
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 17, 2017 16:31:07 GMT -7
I didn't manage to get all the Trek Micromachines ship sets when they were out, but I got most of the three ship blisters, and the Collectors Edition multipack that gave me the Galaxy Dreadnought and the Negh'Var minis. I'll get more pictures up when I find the other minis I have. In the meantime, here's a link to Memory Alpha which includes info on the Galoob Star Trek Micromachines range... memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Galoob
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Nov 18, 2017 0:35:18 GMT -7
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 23, 2017 20:15:11 GMT -7
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 23, 2017 20:31:26 GMT -7
Just looked this up, and that indeed is what that model is! Thanks, kaisernathan1701 Mark
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