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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 5:56:42 GMT -7
The Orville premiers September 10th, at 8:00 p.m. for part 1, then again on September 17th at 8:00 p.m. for part 2. Mark you calendars people.
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Post by Gorn on Jul 22, 2017 15:04:48 GMT -7
We should take bets on which series will be more Trek.
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Post by rarcher on Jul 23, 2017 14:44:52 GMT -7
Go watch the latest trailer while I go bang my head to make the pain of watching it myself last night go away....
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Post by krebizfan on Jul 23, 2017 15:03:05 GMT -7
Go watch the latest trailer while I go bang my head to make the pain of watching it myself last night go away.... Which new trailer? The new Orville trailer where Seth McFarlane is so Seth McFarlane-ish that any power would declare war on the not Federation just to get him to stop talking or the new Discovery trailer where a beared man smugly says how there is little time left like Enterprise's Suliban leader with cheaper makeup.
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Post by rarcher on Jul 24, 2017 9:52:02 GMT -7
Go watch the latest trailer while I go bang my head to make the pain of watching it myself last night go away.... Which new trailer? The new Orville trailer where Seth McFarlane is so Seth McFarlane-ish that any power would declare war on the not Federation just to get him to stop talking or the new Discovery trailer where a beared man smugly says how there is little time left like Enterprise's Suliban leader with cheaper makeup. Disco one urgh!
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Post by zaarin7 on Jul 24, 2017 16:51:44 GMT -7
I went to go see Wonder Woman today (fantastic film by the way) and there was a Discovery trailer before the movie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2017 18:13:25 GMT -7
Just finished watching "The Orville". It was actually pretty good.
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Post by Gorn on Sept 10, 2017 18:36:49 GMT -7
I got some good laughs out of Orville. There was also some Trek like action, although a little amateurish. It's certainly preferable to JJDrek. Don't care at all about Discovery, thanx alot.
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 10, 2017 19:41:01 GMT -7
Yes, thank you - come again (directed at CBS).
The Orville does need a little bit of polish but, I found it fun enough. Had a story (what a concept), some action, some comedy (not too heavy handled). All in all, not a bad hour spent.
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Sept 10, 2017 22:33:33 GMT -7
Orville was very good
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 7:54:22 GMT -7
So... who will be the first one to stat out the Orville and the Krill ships?
One of us is bound to give it a try.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 19:02:31 GMT -7
Well... I just watched Discovery.
I will not be subscribing to All Access...
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 24, 2017 19:06:00 GMT -7
Why? Just because it was absolutely boring?
Just because lens flare and titling camera angles do not art make?
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Post by Gorn on Sept 24, 2017 19:53:08 GMT -7
I guess it doesn't matter that they all sound like they've had their naHlets cut off; because they're NOT Klingons anyway. What jerkass thought that was a good idea?
Along with 1/3 of the broadcast time being given to advertisements. I would be ashamed if I were GR jr.
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Post by cowboy40 on Sept 24, 2017 22:30:59 GMT -7
Discovery, I wish i hadn't gone to the time and trouble to take that Trek. Impressed, am not. i feel like i wasted an hour i cold have been reading a good Trek novel.
No continuity to official Trek cannon laid out in all the other series. This was not written for the old time Trekies/Treckers.
it was so bad i was ashamed that i watched it...guess i will stay with Orville. Who would have thought, a show worse then Star Trek: Enterprise....guess i will stop griping about Captain Archer now...
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Post by MajorRacal on Oct 2, 2017 14:46:22 GMT -7
Klingons aside, I've quite enjoyed the the first three episodes of Discovery - I'm much more interested in where this series will take me than I was the Voyager and Enterprise. I'm still not fond of the ship design.
The Orville is mildly entertaining but I find some of the interplay and comedy rather infantile. I think some of the Trek motifs are a little too heavy handed, even down to the music cues (OK, I actually like spotting the derivative music cues).
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Oct 2, 2017 21:27:35 GMT -7
Last ep of Orville was great and next ep seems very action packed
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Post by Gorn on Oct 5, 2017 12:49:59 GMT -7
It's as much Trek as we're going to get, so I'll make the best of Orville.
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Post by thescreamingswede on Oct 5, 2017 15:25:53 GMT -7
I watched the first two episodes of Discovery with an open mind and no preconceived ideas or judgments. Needless to say, I was less than impressed. So much so that I actually fell asleep watching the third episode. I have no idea what happened story-wise and that's where I have the big hang up. I watch very little television in comparison to the average person (Canadian or otherwise). So little in fact that I actually have to plan to take the time to watch. I don't binge watch (the very concept is.... abhorrent). To waste that much time in a day is inconceivable, so it's something I refuse to do, so the way Star Trek: Discovery is set up, with it being one very long episode spread over the entire season, doesn't work for me. I guess I like my television episodic.
The Orville, on the other hand, fits the framework of what Star Trek is (or was, at least in my mind). Each week is a new story; a new problem to solve, and especially with episodes three and four, they tackled very modern problems in the same way the original Star Trek did. It is something I think has been missing from television for a long time. It's something that has caught my attention and I intend to "Make the time" for this particular show.
Now granted, the comedy is borderline funny and comes off a little lame sometimes (something I expected from Seth MacFarlane), but I have a problem with sitcoms in general; I just don't find situation comedy all that funny and fart and penis jokes only go so far. It's an interesting take though on the "perfect crew". These guys are hardly what anyone would call professional in their behavior.
All points considered, I am still reserving my judgement on both until episode six of each show. Why? Cause it was an arbitrary number I picked, but by that point the tone of both shows should have been established. As it stands now though, The Orville is leading.
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Post by MajorRacal on Oct 8, 2017 4:44:55 GMT -7
So far I don't think the framework is a massive departure from what's been before. The first two episodes formed parts of the same story - just like the premieres of TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. Episode three was largely a standalone episode with a problem to solve. One of the weaknesses of the older series of Star Trek, particularly TOS/TNG/Voyager, is that stories were wrapped up and the ship/crew moved on with nary a consequence. When episode three closed we were left with questions yet to be answered, but we saw this in DS9 and Enterprise, and for me this was one of the strengths of those series.
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Post by thescreamingswede on Oct 8, 2017 11:10:12 GMT -7
So far I don't think the framework is a massive departure from what's been before. The first two episodes formed parts of the same story - just like the premieres of TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise. Episode three was largely a standalone episode with a problem to solve. One of the weaknesses of the older series of Star Trek, particularly TOS/TNG/Voyager, is that stories were wrapped up and the ship/crew moved on with nary a consequence. When episode three closed we were left with questions yet to be answered, but we saw this in DS9 and Enterprise, and for me this was one of the strengths of those series. ... and I didn't see it that way. Episode three was just a continuation of the same story we left with from the first two episodes. Granted, I missed a good portion of it, but your statement of "questions left to be answered" just backs up my statement of it being one continuous episode spread over an entire season. Soap operas (even in space) just aren't my cup of tea. Sure, episodic television has story arcs that span several episodes and it does make for good television.... but in short spurts, and having to put in "last time on...." montages at the start of every show, to me, spells disaster. And to be brutally honest, I hated DS9 BECAUSE they story arced so much. Like I said, I don't earmark a lot of time for watching television, and that kind of program just doesn't work for me. Each to their own I guess. As for "moved on with nary a consequence". Well, that is frankly meaningless unless something drastic comes of it later on, and we saw exactly that with "Wrath of Khan". Having to revisit every single decision with an episode that covers the "consequences" is an utter waste of time otherwise. Why revisit "Miri"? "Turnabout Intruder". "What are Little Girls Made Of?". Most of these episodes were pretty self explanatory in their conclusion as to what the "consequences" were. In TNG, perhaps there are some episodes in it's seven year run that could use a little more explanation beyond the ending provided, but again, I don't see the need to since most of the ones with extenuating consequences were part of those story arc type episodes anyway. In the end it really comes down to what you the viewer want to be entertained by. Star Trek: Discovery for me, so far, isn't cutting the mustard but that's mostly because I don't like the format. I can put aside the differences in aesthetics; "contemporary timeline to the original series but looks like Jonathan Archer's era" and I can overlook a lot of the "designer's need to put his/her stamp on the franchise" crap like the new look Klingons or the need to make Star Trek gritty and dark. It's the run on sentence type of television that is currently popular that I have the problem with and that's a personal hang up, not necessarily a scathing indictment on the show itself. The question asked was "Discovery or The Orville"? After five episodes of one and three of the other, my choice is The Orville.
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Post by MajorRacal on Oct 10, 2017 15:58:35 GMT -7
Yes, I'll agree most stories are once is enough encounters but there are some events that could/should have wider implications - for example stealing a cloaking device. It's interesting you raise Wrath of Khan though, since it opens the II-III-IV movie arc, but as you suggest, to each their own. DS9 is still my favourite of the past series.
I'm finding The Orville to be very disposable, I don't rush to see it if I know it's on. I'll sit through it if I'm in the room but I am pre-empting events accurately so I find myself getting distracted enough to just up and wander off to do something else instead. Discovery isn't must watch TV so far either, when I was given the option to watch that or a Philip K Dick's Electric Dreams, I chose to watch 'Electric Dreams'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 8:55:18 GMT -7
I've missed a few episodes of Orville, but I'll come back around to them soon enough (DVR'd). It's not a bad show, but I agree with MajorRacal , it is not "Must watch TV". Unfortunately, neither is Discovery. It's more like "Pretend it's not there" TV. I was at a local anime con and asked a group of people dressed in Federation uniforms what they thought. They were pretty much split on both Disco and Orville. I guess it's a matter of taste.
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Post by thescreamingswede on Oct 13, 2017 15:21:02 GMT -7
Well, after the fourth episode of Discovery and the sixth episode of Orville, I have to admit I'm am very displeased with Discovery. I am disappointed that they have stepped so far out of sync with the established universe that even the JJverse looks palatable (with a bottle of Gravol mind you). At least in JJTrek there is a feign attempt to make it look like Star Trek. Discovery would have worked fantastic as a stand alone sci-fi show unrelated to Star Trek in any way. It is so far off the mark that it may as well be. Spore drives.... jump ships... stupid rotating discs... horribly disfigured aliens speaking Klingonese? I am so very glad that I do not have to subscribe to a pay service to watch it (Canada's SPACE Channel is playing for free).
And the group I was watching it with, who are casual Star Trek fans at best, were in total agreement Sunday after dinner when we watched episode four. Granted, they hadn't seen the previous three, so there in lies my argument about the folly that is serial television, but beyond that, they had to ask what they were watching since it was evident that nothing in Discovery remotely resembles Star Trek unless pointed out (and they also wondered why the crew was wearing the insignia of the "ENTERPRISE").
The Orville on the other hand, has started to develop into something resembling Star Trek without actually being Star Trek. Enough so that I have actually blocked in the time Thursday to watch it (and subsequently the day after when I'm working night shift Thursdays on the video on demand option in my area).
Now I don't knock people for liking one over the other. If Discovery is your cup of tea, that's fine. It is not mine, however.
Discovery: 0 The Orville: 1
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Post by JAFisher44 on Oct 14, 2017 21:39:00 GMT -7
I've watched all of Discovery so far and I am not particularly impressed.
Visuals - 8 With the exception of the stupid looking discovery and the stupid looking Klingon ships this show looks very good. They could tune down the lens flare.
Story - 6 It's not terrible, but neither is it good. At least it's not a time travel plot. With only 4 episodes so far I'll reserve judgement to see where it's going but I'm not optimistic.
Characters - 4 Most of the characters are very one dimensional. Michael is a mess. I'm just not sold on her logical/emotional mixture.
Science - 0 I'm not sure that these writers care one bit if their science is sound. I was particularly annoyed by the beacon. What a stupid idea! T'Kuvma lights the beacon. Years, decades, or even centuries later the light reaches the great houses! Of course it must be magic light because Sarek said "the quadrant" was reporting a new star before the light from that beacon had even left the solar system. Also if the klingons have a generator able to output solar radiation similar to a star the Federation is fucked. Also annoyed by sensing the coming of death.
Canon - 4 I could accept the spore drive in a non-trek sci-fi but I think they are going to have to do some crazy storyline acrobatics to work that in. Honestly the visual reboot doesn't bother me especially for the interiors. Externally I would have preferred something that more closely resembles TOS. Uniforms too are unnecessarily different.
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