Is it by design?

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In the past few years we have seen four Nerd-Centric establishments go woke and basically die

1. Star Trek

2. Star Wars

3. Doctor Who

4. Comic Books

And we are seeing it start in Comic Book related movies (Captain Marvel...)

Is it a coincidence, or is it by design.

It SEEMS like all these woke folk saw something that white dudes liked and thought it was somehow exclusionary (clearly, they have never been to any conventions), and decided that it had to go. They could not just purge it from our memories, so they elected to ruin it so that we would not like it anymore (mission accomplished). If true, that's pretty petty.

All they had to do was show up to our party and we would have welcomed them, instead they are going all scorched Earth on us. Of course, we can watch re-runs and re-read our favorite books from our vast collection of comics. In the end, all they are doing is hosing themselves out of a lot of money.

[thescreamingswede]

Woke?

Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck does woke mean?🤔

[starcruiser]

He's talking about all of the people (mostly women) who think that all men (mostly white men) are evil and exploit them...

You know, like that asshat Harvey Weinstein. Jackass that in fact - DID - exploit women for many years.

Apparently, absolutely all Sci Fi, Comics etc. MUST be inundated with "woke" concepts - along with pro LGBT messages and the like.

I'm not sure that they actually mean to destroy all of those properties but, they seem to be doing a pretty good job of it anyway!

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Apr 28, 2020 14:31:42 GMT -7 starcruiser said:

He's talking about all of the people (mostly women) who think that all men (mostly white men) are evil and exploit them...

You know, like that asshat Harvey Weinstein. Jackass that in fact - DID - exploit women for many years.

Apparently, absolutely all Sci Fi, Comics etc. MUST be inundated with "woke" concepts - along with pro LGBT messages and the like.

I'm not sure that they actually mean to destroy all of those properties but, they seem to be doing a pretty good job of it anyway!

To quote St. Padre Pio: "There are no coincidences."

This infiltration and corruption of STAR TREK and it's rival franchises are part and parcel of the Culture War we all have been going through for many years. In effect and to be blunt, these Cultural Marxists hate and despise anything positive connected with Western Civilization. Or what they think is Western Civilization which is seen through a Marxist or pseudo-Marxist lens. So they see it as a "duty to humanity" and to the future to transform it by capturing the culture for their own purposes.

Look at Stalin's promotion of "Socialist Realism" in poetry, music, plays and films. Those who resisted were shot or sent to the Gulag.

Look at Mao's tyranny. His wife was the restrictive influence for China's art. Ancient Chinese operas, some hundreds of years old, were tossed into the trash. Only eight State-approved operas and ballets were allowed. Just eight!

So those who have crept into our cultural institutions grabbed control or influence and pushed their worldviews into our entertainment. That's a major reason why from my personal experience, I liked TOS Trek rather than TNG Trek and such. TNG Trek was a lot more anti-religious and pro-Socialist than it's predecessor. And the characters of both Picard and Janeway severely turned me off.

Please forgive me for tooting my own horn here, but those are major reasons that fueled me to craft the Kephan Unity, it's people and ships.

[kaisernathan1701]

i think your right and i hope thy are exposed and sent to prison or worse

[starcruiser]

Well - they WON'T go to prison (at least, anytime soon) since they aren't actually breaking any laws in doing what they are apparently doing.

I doubt that this is really Neo-Marxism (and I also doubt Marx would recognize it, or approve - at least not Groucho, or Chico, don't know about Harpo or Zeppo though).

More likely, this is being done by a mix of people with (self-important) good intentions and some with a personal ax to grind. Some honestly were victimized by scum like Weinstein and are justified in their feelings.

Others are probably mid-level Socialists with a person stake in the game. Some maybe all-out "Commie Pinkos" and think it's their responsibility to save humanity from the evil of freedom (FREEDOM? Is worship word!).

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I think the real issue is that they are grinding the wrong axe. It's not my fault Rei and Capt. Marvel suck. They're just remarkably bland characters. It's like ST: TNG staring Wesley Crusher (boy genius).

This started to bug me when the makers of Star Wars decided to blame "Toxic Fandom" for their inability to create a good story. First, "The customer is always right". You can't guilt me into going to your bad movie. The people who claim to like the movie need to go see it multiple times (like I did with Star Wars IV, V, and VI, and Star Trek II and IV).

They claimed that Toxic Fans can't handle a strong female leading character.

Do they have these ladies in mind when they say that?

or...

uhm... (late to the party, but still a welcomed guest - of course they killed her before she could really develop as a character...)

And maybe not the star of STAR WARS, we all love Leia. I would have watched a movie about her - she clearly thinks more than Luke or Han...


Of course, a large portion of Star Wars/Star Trek/Dr. Who/Comic Book fans are also fans of Anime where we have a lot of strong leading ladies:

And my personal guilty pleasure...

These are just a few examples, I'm sure you guys can come up with more. But the point is to show that we nerds will watch a movie with a powerful female lead and actually like it.

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Apr 28, 2020 21:04:22 GMT -7 starcruiser said:

Well - they WON'T go to prison (at least, anytime soon) since they aren't actually breaking any laws in doing what they are apparently doing.

I doubt that this is really Neo-Marxism (and I also doubt Marx would recognize it, or approve - at least not Groucho, or Chico, don't know about Harpo or Zeppo though).

More likely, this is being done by a mix of people with (self-important) good intentions and some with a personal ax to grind. Some honestly were victimized by scum like Weinstein and are justified in their feelings.

Others are probably mid-level Socialists with a person stake in the game. Some maybe all-out "Commie Pinkos" and think it's their responsibility to save humanity from the evil of freedom (FREEDOM? Is worship word!).

It is a form of Marxism which is horribly sneaky. Worse, I think both Marx and Engels would approve of it in some way.

The "grandfather" of this Cultural Marxism is the Italian Communist philosopher and political theorist Antonio Gramsci (1891 – 1937).

From the Foundation for Economic Education, here is a brief article from 2018 about this man and how his theories have contributed to the corruption and destruction of Western culture.

fee.org/articles/antonio-gramsci-the-godfather-of-cultural-marxism/

And from further back in 2011, here's an article on how both Mussolini AND Stalin couldn't stand the guy. And how he thought Catholic Christianity was the main obstacle to the establishment of the "Worker's Paradise".

www.thecatholicthing.org/2011/08/24/the-anti-church-of-antonio-gramsci/

Finally -- and apologies for having to quote from them in the first place -- here is the Wikipedia entry on this man:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci

The river of our modern culture has been poisoned a long while back. Yes, that includes what TREK has now become. The work of this man is a major source of that poison...and it must be expelled. Many thanks in advance for reading this.

[starcruiser]

Well - maybe but, I'm not going to bother getting into why the whole Marxist-Leninist Communist B.S. is doomed beyond saying:

Communism's biggest fault is that in order for such a system to function effectively, humans must be nearly perfectly honest. That's not likely to happen in the next 5,000 (or 5,000,000) years.