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Post by JAFisher44 on Apr 13, 2022 22:18:01 GMT -7
A Constitution class cruiser gets a less flashy refit. Work in progress.   |
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Post by atolm on Apr 14, 2022 6:58:36 GMT -7
That's looking amazing! It has a Phase 2 vibe going on  |
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Post by rarcher on Apr 14, 2022 7:57:22 GMT -7
You know I always wondered what the TOS connie would look like with its TOS stylings but including the changes TMP gave like the altered hull (but keep the older dish inside), move the torp launchers to the neck, broaden the pylons etc. The Disco solved alot of this for me, but I would still love to see the TOS connie with the TMP torp launcher if you ro someone could mock that up quick just to sate my curiosity I'd appreciate it!
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Post by trynda1701 on Apr 14, 2022 11:32:05 GMT -7
You know I always wondered what the TOS connie would look like with its TOS stylings but including the changes TMP gave like the altered hull (but keep the older dish inside), move the torp launchers to the neck, broaden the pylons etc. The Disco solved alot of this for me, but I would still love to see the TOS connie with the TMP torp launcher if you ro someone could mock that up quick just to sate my curiosity I'd appreciate it! , go to 6:50 to see almost exactly what you want in this Star Trek: Phase II vignette... It's the best Phase II CGI I've seen that keeps the most TOS elements intact.  |
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Post by rarcher on Apr 14, 2022 14:11:09 GMT -7
You know I always wondered what the TOS connie would look like with its TOS stylings but including the changes TMP gave like the altered hull (but keep the older dish inside), move the torp launchers to the neck, broaden the pylons etc. The Disco solved alot of this for me, but I would still love to see the TOS connie with the TMP torp launcher if you ro someone could mock that up quick just to sate my curiosity I'd appreciate it! , go to 6:50 to see almost exactly what you want in this Star Trek: Phase II vignette... It's the best Phase II CGI I've seen that keeps the most TOS elements intact. Damn nice! I totally forgot about that fan series! |
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Post by JAFisher44 on Apr 16, 2022 1:34:33 GMT -7
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Post by bernard Guignard on Apr 16, 2022 6:40:45 GMT -7
Very nice I like the Upgrades. Keep up the good work.
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Post by steven on Apr 16, 2022 7:40:30 GMT -7
I like it. It's kind of how I see the various "marks" of ship classes. The Mk I might look this way, the Mk II basically the same with a few changes, the Mark III a few different changes, but they are still the same class. It isn't until a ship is a new design from the keel up, or would essentially be because an upgrade is so radical, that it becomes a new class. Think Anton to Reliant or Connie to Enterprise.
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Post by JAFisher44 on Apr 16, 2022 15:50:26 GMT -7
The basic premise of this ship is that there definitely would have been a time where TOS style ships served along side TMP style ships. While Starfleet went all out on refits for ships like the Enterprise I imagine that it's plausible that others would have has far less extensive upgrades. The Guangzhou here has been upgraded to a modern spec with the replacement of her weapons systems, shielding systems, and navigation systems but being a newer ship than many other Connies her hull needed little work and it just didn't make sense to rebuild it from the ground up. Some small changes were made to keep her compatible with the rest of the fleet and to meet current safety regulations so now she has standard docking rings and appropriate safety markings.
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Post by trynda1701 on Apr 16, 2022 18:27:11 GMT -7
As this variant has visible phaser banks, do you plan to have visible torpedo tubes, even if they're just forward of the lower sensor dome, rather than where the Enterprise refit relocates them to?
Plus, is it just getting more phasers on the saucer?
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Post by JAFisher44 on Apr 17, 2022 10:14:24 GMT -7
Yes, this version will have visible torpedo tubes. I just haven't decided how I want to do them. It already has all the same phaser emplacements that the refit Enterprise has, you just cant see them all from the angles I've rendered because I'm not finished detailing so I've been hiding stuff.   |
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Post by rarcher on Apr 17, 2022 10:45:19 GMT -7
Just a thought Fisher, perhaps given the torp tubes are normally on the tos saucer above the sensor dome perhaps instead of simple holes like there seem to be on the tos saucer just mold a semi-tmp like launcher in that same place? I dont know how it would look though hmmm
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Post by trynda1701 on Apr 17, 2022 11:25:43 GMT -7
Just a thought Fisher, perhaps given the torp tubes are normally on the tos saucer above the sensor dome perhaps instead of simple holes like there seem to be on the tos saucer just mold a semi-tmp like launcher in that same place? I dont know how it would look though hmmm I could see that working rarcher. If it's subtle but gives a hint of the TMP style.  JAFisher44 , aren't those two single emitters above the shuttle bay being blocked by that lighted dome for an aft firing arc, in game terms? Yes, I know the model in in 3D, just thought they might be a bit further aft, in line with the dome? |
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Post by JAFisher44 on Apr 17, 2022 11:27:28 GMT -7
I made a decision. Since I had previously decided that there would be little change to the existing ship's structure It only made sense that the torpedo launchers would have to be in the same place as before, just modernized. Therefor they must be on the saucer.  |
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Post by JAFisher44 on Apr 17, 2022 11:37:22 GMT -7
trynda1701 I placed the phasers where they are because the aft of the secondary hull is just an overhang for the shuttlebay doors. it doesn't seem to me to be thick enough to hold all of the necessary machinery for the phaser turret. Yes, the dome slightly restricts their arcs of fire but really not that much.
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Post by trynda1701 on Apr 17, 2022 15:27:26 GMT -7
trynda1701 I placed the phasers where they are because the aft of the secondary hull is just an overhang for the shuttlebay doors. it doesn't seem to me to be thick enough to hold all of the necessary machinery for the phaser turret. Yes, the dome slightly restricts their arcs of fire but really not that much. Gotcha. The torp tubes look a little big, but I understand that, as they're on the slope of the lower saucer, it might just be that. I was going to say maybe that they could have a red dot in the centre (that's how I paint torp tubes on my minis) but the TMP tubes only light up red just before the torpedo exits the tube. EDIT: Maybe also lower them away from the deck windows, they look too close. Seeing as the phasers have been relocated, maybe halfing the distance between the bottom of the tube and the rim above the lower sensor dome? Nice work as always, JAFisher44 |
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Post by steven on Apr 17, 2022 15:45:41 GMT -7
It could even have doors like a submarine's outer torpedo tubes and just have the outline. Just a thought.
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Post by JAFisher44 on Apr 17, 2022 17:18:37 GMT -7
trynda1701 The tubes are the same size as the tubes on the Excelsior. In fact they are the same. The round tubes matched the aesthetic of the TOS hull better than the rectangle ones from the refit.
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Post by trynda1701 on Apr 17, 2022 18:13:38 GMT -7
trynda1701 The tubes are the same size as the tubes on the Excelsior. In fact they are the same. The round tubes matched the aesthetic of the TOS hull better than the rectangle ones from the refit. I think they could be a tad smaller (telling me they match the Excelsior makes them look bigger than I originally thought!), and as I said, lower. The round tubes I totally understand. But your design of course, just my two cents worth. |
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Post by JAFisher44 on Apr 17, 2022 21:32:51 GMT -7
I actually went back and looked at the tubes and found that they aren't large enough to pass a standard Federation torpedo so I had to enlarge them a little. I didn't change the size of the recess they sit in. They have to be big enough to do their job.
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Post by trynda1701 on Apr 18, 2022 4:17:53 GMT -7
I actually went back and looked at the tubes and found that they aren't large enough to pass a standard Federation torpedo so I had to enlarge them a little. I didn't change the size of the recess they sit in. They have to be big enough to do their job. All this time, when I've said torpedo tubes, I've been meaning the recesses (see my post where I understood the slope of the saucer might be my problem with the size!). As I've just been looking at this on my phone screen I've only just now zoomed in and realised you can see the actual tubes WITHIN those recesses! Duh on my part! |
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Apr 18, 2022 19:19:55 GMT -7
Looks good! Are you a fan of the Sovereign style color palette with darker colors that they expounded on in STO?
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Apr 19, 2022 19:03:17 GMT -7
reminds of the 1 or 2 TOS Era styled cruisers that were still in Service in the 2280s according to the old ships of the Starfleet book. I think USS Potemkin was one that still looked 2260s but with 2280s on it still but still keeping the 2260s look for whatever reason |
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