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Post by Gorn on Sept 17, 2016 20:15:18 GMT -7
JJTrek is bad taste to begin with. Many Trekkers say it isn't actual Trek anyway.
What are people supposed to do - only speak up when they have something positive to say about the franchise they are associated with? How is anyone going to know if it stinks, then?
People should say what's on their mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 4:58:30 GMT -7
JJTrek is bad taste to begin with. Many Trekkers say it isn't actual Trek anyway. What are people supposed to do - only speak up when they have something positive to say about the franchise they are associated with? How is anyone going to know if it stinks, then? People should say what's on their mind. I'll go along with that. JJ-Trek is a suck-fest. The problem comes when Jonathan Frakes says "JJ-Trek is dreadful", he is instantly written out of any movie with TNG characters. It's not fair at all, and it sucks, but that's the way things work. |
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 18, 2016 9:32:37 GMT -7
Well, Paramount/CBS should know it stinks by the poor box-office from the latest film... According to the last report I read, it still hasn't broken even yet. Ticket sales have plummeted in China as well.
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Post by brickwall on Sept 18, 2016 13:10:21 GMT -7
Well, Paramount/CBS should know it stinks by the poor box-office from the latest film... According to the last report I read, it still hasn't broken even yet. Ticket sales have plummeted in China as well. This is the first I've heard of this, but it seems logical. The disgust at J-J Trek looks more global than we've thought. |
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Post by rarcher on Sept 18, 2016 14:17:26 GMT -7
Well, Paramount/CBS should know it stinks by the poor box-office from the latest film... According to the last report I read, it still hasn't broken even yet. Ticket sales have plummeted in China as well. This is the first I've heard of this, but it seems logical. The disgust at J-J Trek looks more global than we've thought. Personally I attribute some of that lost to CBS/PAramounts suing of Axnar scant months before |
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Post by Gorn on Sept 20, 2016 11:11:46 GMT -7
I'm very glad he did, and I fully support and applaud him for saying it.
He knows what Trek is supposed to be.
Some of us do not eat merde just so that we *might* get a few $$$ in the future.
I'm very very glad to see that Frakes doesn't compromise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2016 11:27:11 GMT -7
Urgh... I should have worded that better. Mr. Frakes never said that.
What I meant was: The problem is that if Jonathan Frakes says "JJ-Trek is dreadful", he is instantly written out of any movie with TNG characters.
My apologies for the misleading error in my post.
If he had said it though, I would applaud him for it. The TNG episodes and movies he directed were all better than JJ-Trek.
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Post by MajorRacal on Sept 20, 2016 15:35:43 GMT -7
Perhaps it would be in bad taste, but then I am also uncertain whether the views of actors from other parts of the franchise, particularly those from the TNG and ENT should be particularly worthy of any note. Levar Burton for example, to this day I think he is an apallingly stilted actor, I find him unbearable to watch and the Trek episodes he directed were mostly pretty lifeless, so I'm sure I don't value his criticisms. For me, it perhaps says more that Leonard Nimoy participated in not just one, but two of the new films prior to his death - if he were alive I'm quite certain he'd have made an appearance in "Beyond" if he'd been asked. I seem to recall reading some murmurings that William Shatner, rather than question or criticise, was more concerned that he hadn't been approached to make an appearance.
Love them or loathe them, the new films are what they are, I find I am largely indifferent to them myself because like a lot of contemporary films, they don't really stand up to repeat viewing. I like TOS (I prefer TMP with the exception of The Voyage Home), but there's also a lot of TOS material that doesn't hold up to repeat viewing and there's a lot that makes me cringe.
Jonathan Frakes would be on extremely shaky ground if he did say anything critical - he did an excruciatingly awful job of bringing Thunderbirds (another vintage programme with an extremely loyal and dedicated fanbase) to the big screen and killed that movie franchise stone dead.
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Post by Gorn on Sept 23, 2016 20:03:17 GMT -7
Hm. Levar never seemed stilted to me. Is that what most Trekkers think?
I noticed he directed all 3 Augments episodes in S4 of Enterprise. I thought it was an OK redo of the Khan material.
Sometimes a little too much.
I think Nimoy and Shatner *might* be more interested in the $ they can make by being positive and endorsing JJDrek. Because it sure isn't TOS in any shape or form. If TNG crew is not going to appear in JJDrek, then they are free to say what they actually think of it. And Dorn and Burton weren't nearly as abrupt as I am in what they said!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2016 20:20:19 GMT -7
Dorn and Burton showed a lot of class and tact with their statements.
I still think the loudest condemnation of JJ-Trek comes in the form of utter silence from most Trek actors. Had they thought it was worth a crap, they would likely have come out with some praise.
The only condemnation the studio understands is the epic box-office failure. But lately, even that is in doubt. Pretty much everything out of Hollywood sucks lately (except for Deadpool and Kubo - those were very nice... in very different ways).
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Post by rabid on Sept 25, 2016 14:57:41 GMT -7
I'm with Mr. Plinkett on this one www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiHnqv098LYAlso agree with Dorn and Burton. Color me a purist but I try to pretend Star Trek ended with "All Good things" (not that Ds9 and voyager don't have their moments.) |
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Post by Gorn on Sept 25, 2016 15:29:55 GMT -7
Yep. It was happening and we had to take it. Right up the exhaust.
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Post by Gorn on Sept 24, 2017 20:44:54 GMT -7
So. "Klingons" had their nuts cut off and speak in soft high voices now. And they've got heavy heads with double nostrils. And they all have pitch black complexion now. And they speak slow and stilted. And they don't have a single vaguely recognizable ship, or Batleth. Some idiot thought this was cool?? Even Koloth was more macho.
JJflares again. JJ Transparent metal windows with overlays ooooo how futuristic. No Majel Barrett comp voice. Pulse phasers instead of beams. Some idiot thought this was cool?? Presumably it was the same idiot giving a female a man's name?!
Star Trek is dead and gone. There's an imposter running around dressed like Trek.
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 25, 2017 7:31:29 GMT -7
Only barely dressed like Trek...and drunk.
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Post by Gorn on Sept 26, 2017 18:17:48 GMT -7
And after having seen the next 2 episodes of the Orville, I can safely say THEY know what Star Trek is.
It's pretty shameful that Orville is much more Star Trek than "Discovery".
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 26, 2017 19:20:14 GMT -7
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Post by Gorn on Sept 27, 2017 5:17:41 GMT -7
Would have been much better for us had it been "next Baywatch, or a TV series based on Fast and Furious" instead of JJDrek.
Nobody in here is raving about it.
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 27, 2017 5:56:02 GMT -7
I don't know - we ARE "raving" - in a negative sense!
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Post by Gorn on Sept 27, 2017 18:07:32 GMT -7
I simply find it extremely annoying that all official sites are so positive about it and not presenting anything negative at all.
$$$ talks.
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 28, 2017 6:09:34 GMT -7
The official sites would no longer be "official" if they said anything negative, now would they?
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Post by rabid on Oct 9, 2017 15:18:01 GMT -7
Loved the Orville. Haven't seen discovery and based on what I've heard here I don't think I will. Star Trek ended with "all good things". I could call 2009's trek an affectionate little coda but that's it for me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 18:27:16 GMT -7
Orville is fun. Disco sucked. Would have been much better if it had been called "Space Drama". I felt the interactions between the XO and the rest of the senior crew were very unprofessional. Grow up on Vulcan - have no ability to control emotions or make a logical argument.
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Post by starcruiser on Oct 11, 2017 19:33:19 GMT -7
Or make anything resembling a logical decision...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 8:13:26 GMT -7
I said a while ago (I think in this forum) that I believe that Disco was created to end the Star trek franchise. I have no proof, but that is my suspicion, bolstered by the lack of a green light for season 2.
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