Trek - I'm Too Sexy

[kinshi]

[Gorn]

Sorry - the new movie they call 'star trek' and TOS just don't go together.

[Meteo Ascension]

...It fits as well as a penis wearing a diaper.

...And, while they occasionally get something right, they get so many things wrong, so other than preserving the franchise, , It's not good for much.

[kinshi]

I do not mind Nu-Trek at all....that is I wont get caught up in arguments about is it better or worse.

Nu-Trek really is NOT aimed at the previous generations of Trekdom, and the only bones the previous Trekkers got tossed were the 'Sabotage' track, Admiral Archers dog, and Leonard Nimoy. The old Kirk vs Picard/TOS vs TNG debates have been made about as relevant as arguing over what extinct species of dinosaurs are better.

Its why they unchained themselves from 40+ years of Trek-canon and are starting over. New minds want to try new things, that's evolution.

[Gorn]

If they want to try new things, let them. Why call it Star Trek?
Star Trek isn't new. Let them see how well a new flick does that comes out of nowhere without using a past success formula.
They pick and choose the parts they think will make success - but they worry nothing about the parts that today's Oprah/reality show generation thinks are boring.

GR gave us rationality and intelligence. Nu-Trek throws it pretty much out the window with a Spock that's hi-strung and barely in control. That's just for starters.

[kinshi]

Like I said, I wont argue about which is better..simply put one exists now, the other is out of production and is going to stay that way.

Also what was done with Nu-Trek is not really all that 'new', I mean those huge revisions of characters have been going on since TOS and the "Mirror Universe", how many times has Spock gotten totally emotional and started running Amok? (Amok Time anyone?)

I spose the saving grace is the characters always returned to their predictable selves at the end of each episode after being unleashed to misbehave for most of it.

There have been so many liberties taken with Spock alone we could write a book about them, and that's just the on-screen stuff, and that includes when GR was at the helm.

Also, I cannot hold GR's decisions infallible, I mean he is the guy who torpedoed FASA-Trek after all for being "too warlike" yet once he was dead the franchise launched into Deep Space 9, on a mostly immobile space station no less, then launched the franchise into World War IV in space ala the "Dominion War"

Even before that, GR allowed the Borg to come in and kick everyone's butt. Massive death and destruction, no simply "talking it out over a cup of Earl Grey, hot"

I see that, and wonder, really GR?..you snuffed FASA Trek but allowed that?

Actually your argument against "Nu-Trek' as not being "Trek" enough is why GR killed FASA Trek.

FASA was the "Nu-Trek" of the 1980s and was KILLED for its departures (yet we still like FASA Trek and all those Pocket Books despite that)

[Meteo Ascension]

...Gene Roddenberry had lost some, if not most of his creative control after the first season of TNG.

[kinshi]

Thats true, but Ill go out on a limb and say I don't think it was a bad thing. I mean I was pretty devastated at the time when he killed FASA Trek. (sorta mimics how I feel about George Lucas now)

Yea, I am one of those weirdos who LIKE Deep Space 9 and thought that concept of life on a frontier space station was a nice departure from the wandering across the galaxy to violate the Prime Directive every chance a starship captain got. (I think Sisko has the LEAST # of Prime Directive violations of all the Trek commanders...Captain Archer does not count since the directive did not exist in his time)

I also liked how DS9 let us get a in-depth look at a few of the Trek races (Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Ferenghi, Bajorans, etc) instead of dismissing them as the bumpy-headed aliens of the week. DS-9 went far beyond TNG in that regard, not to mention giving us a window into the politics of the major races, and how that defined their interactions.

I even liked Chief O'Brien..the enlisted man in Starfleet, and a ground combat vet at that. Someone who got their hands dirty for a living.

plus I connected with th DS9 characters better....the TNG folks were all patrons of the opera types, way too stuffy for my tastes. The mere fact that Sisko was into baseball endeared him to me, and he and his father actually COOKED..REAL FOOD..as opposed to replicated food..that spoke volumes to me..and that he used the holodeck mostly for playing baseball..not for re-enacting Masterpeice Theatre.

and that he would hook up with a lowly freighter captain (with a criminal background no less)..now that Kirk territory right there...no way would Jean-Luc or Janeway do such a thing. (Jean-Luc just stays repressed, Janeway does the holodeck hunks).

anyway....I enjoyed Nu-Trek for the same reason I enjoyed DS-9, and that is because it departed from the 'formula' and did new things in the Trek universe, instead of repeating the same old things in new uniforms.

I will not say it is 'better' or 'worse, but different in an enjoyable way. I like being shown varying perspectives of the universe, and new takes on existing tales.

[Gorn]

I agree that it's enjoyable and different, but that's it. I gotta say that DS9 is still clearly Trek. The new movie isn't. There's TOS, TNG, FASA (based on the movies and TOS) DS9, VOY and ENT - and then there's this new thing with a 'star trek' label slapped on it.
One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong.

Don't tell me 'nu trek' is star trek. It isn't. It's a bang bang adventure flick that vaguely uses some star trek bits in it. It destroyed what Star Trek is far more thoroughly than 'Insurrection' bored us to death with Trek. I liked the nu trek movie, I liked the music, the action - but it is NOT star trek.

They should have gone with Moore who wanted to do his dark BSG oppressive crisis running alone in space for Voyager. At least he has much more of a handle on what Star Trek is. This new movie is not, and it is not because of the war and battle. There were battle episodes even in TOS.

GR promoted human ingenuity and rationality. Not this action-only flick driven by borderline-psychotically emotional drama in the interspaces. Some people might call it Star Trek, but I, who saw the reruns through the 70's and everything since then, and alot of my contemporaries sure as hell DON'T.

[kinshi]

Maybe if Nu-Trek had the benefit of having a TV show before hand to pave the way, perceptions of it might be different. All of us had years worth of TOS/TAS before the first of the movies came out.

Nu-Trek tries to be the new TOS, but as a movie and not a TV series, as such we do not get the opportunity to learn about the characters like we did before.

I guess with Nu-Trek, its become a lot like Star Wars, because of the movie format, it lacks the time needed to create the depth that we were used to in Trek. (I mean Star Wars launched with ZERO character depth, it all got back filled later)

Then again there are lot of folks who think that Trek suffered from too much depth. Given the sheer # of arguments I have witnessed over the various Trek film inconsistencies over the years, I sorta see their point. its easy to disappear down the Treknology rabbit hole never to be seen again.

But, yes I can see why Nu-Trek really rattles the old-guard Trekkers. The depth is not there that we are used to, as a result it seems like a Trek facade slapped on your typical Hollywood sci-fi blockbuster script.

Maybe Nu-Trek should have been reintroduced as a new TV series instead, thus giving time to actually develop this new take on the Trek universe more.

[Gorn]

As a TV series the pace would be waaaaayy slower, to be in tune with a much lower budget.

I'd see it as trying to milk the very successful format that was TOS; never duplicated. Maybe they should have converted SOVF into a movie.

[trynda1701]

I remember reading about that game a few years ago, and seeing the 'intro' cut scene with Scotty narrating a Captain's Log while the Enterprise was on a runaway warp flight due to sabotage.

Always wondered what legal complication it was that prevented D.C. Fontana from publishing a novel based on the backstory after the game was abandoned. Probably superceded by Diane Duane's Romulan tales perhaps as well?