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Post by Gorn on Sept 25, 2017 11:42:28 GMT -7
I was at a banquet where we toasted a few people, and then were required to toast the president of the USA. At that moment, there was an audible grumble that went around the room of at least 200 people.
While the presenter talked about toasting "the president" and "the president's office", at the end of it I loudly said "to the OFFICE." Some people glanced over; impossible to say if they found it rude or were in agreement.
Given the quiet grumble that had gone through when it was originally announced, I think it was agreement. I've never seen anything remotely like that before; and I go to a couple banquets a year.
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 25, 2017 15:48:02 GMT -7
There have been plenty of good people in "The Office" but, the current occupant is - at best - a disappointment.
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Post by cowboy40 on Sept 25, 2017 22:16:57 GMT -7
openions are like a..holes, we all have them!
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Post by cowboy40 on Sept 25, 2017 22:29:13 GMT -7
You know i was watching the news tonight, and well i find the crap being spewed from their months as total bull shit. it is a total waste of time listening to this crap with the NFL. For people who want to show an image of well being right in what they do and being the great athlete, Well their actions aren't doing it, and neither is the crap running from their mouths.
They are showing themselves as ungrateful, over payed and over indulged jerks. They act like they don't like our flag and the things it stands for, but they didn't have a problem collecting millions of dollars playing in the country that flag represents, while they are playing with their "balls". Talk about ungrateful....
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Post by Gorn on Sept 26, 2017 18:33:27 GMT -7
Sounds like confusing the subject to me. I understand it to mean they reject the president, and the way they show that is to not take part in what represents him - the flag and the pledge right now; it's hard to separate both of them.
Maybe I missed some things that are going on. I can't imagine players would be stupid enough to reject their own country. I think it's Trump trying to twist things around to his advantage. He is a self centered ego maniac who has no idea of how much of a petty asshole he looks.
Whatever can give him the slightest advantage he will loudly declare is the truth.
He's already demonstrated that the actual truth means nothing at all to him.
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 26, 2017 19:21:39 GMT -7
Actually, a lot of this has to do with all of the insanity involving police shootings. Too many black people (men, mostly) have been killed lately, and in many cases, for no reason at all.
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Post by Gorn on Sept 27, 2017 5:26:25 GMT -7
I understood it had to do with one guy in Bball not wanting to go to the whitehouse. Then super sensitive ego Trump went on a twitter fit, as usual.
Handegg players were showing solidarity with that Bball guy, NOT showing disrespect to the flag, anthem or country itself, and Trump twisted into something it isn't.
Let's not forget the aged veteran who went on a knee declaring he fought for the player's rights to do as they choose.
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 27, 2017 5:58:00 GMT -7
Yes - we ALL have the right to believe and do as we choose. Respecting the flag and the government only goes so far, especially if that government has not been responsible and respectful of us.
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Post by cowboy40 on Sept 27, 2017 9:20:28 GMT -7
I am from a different era i guess...I was taught God, family, country and duty. Yes my Nation has made mistakes, but it is still the greatest experiment in the form or a Representative Republic, not a democracy like everyone says, with still the most amount of freedoms given to its people. Those freedoms come at a price and that is being responsible with them. Both sides of this issue are failing on the responsibility side. GROW up people. As for the flag, i stand and salute her, because many men and women in my country of birth have died for those values of freedom and republic. Yes i get pissed when i see her disrespected. Right now i have a son fighting under those stars and stripes. I served under them. By God I am proud of them. That said i have also had people in my family die under the 'Bars and stars', and none of us in that era owned a slave what so ever. They fought for what they thought was right, and i respect them for that, and so i honor the flag they died under as part of my family heritage. As for Family, it is my duty to protect them and the land they live on. That land happens to be under the Stars and Stripes. As part of my responsibility and at the direction of my Lord, (Yes, Gorn, I am proudly a Christian and Mormon) my 12th Article of faith is "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law." That said, that does not lead me to follow the laws of this land blindly, it does not absolve me of the duty to change those unjust laws, but it does require me, as well as my own moral actions to change those laws with in the grounds of the methods given to us under the US Constitution. There is a right way to do things, and that is within the boundaries of the law. The break down of the law leads to anarchy and that leads to disorder that accomplishes nothing, but building a greater divide. I disagree with many things that comes from the White House and the man who occupies it. But I find myself in less disagreement with the current occupant then i did the last. I just wish he didn't know what twitter is...lol. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Faith_(Latter_Day_Saints)#Articles_10.E2.80.9312For those of those who want to know what i am referring to when i say Articles of Faith, here is the wikki page that lists them and breaks them down....read if you want to or not...it is here for reference. |
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Post by Gorn on Sept 27, 2017 18:05:34 GMT -7
You may be as religious as you want, but the constitution made no provision at all for invisible magic skydaddy being an administrator of the country. Your inference that it adds anything to what you claim as your guiding principle may be of inspiration to you, but don't think for one second that those without it are any less patriotic. That's certainly the prevailing prejudice. I found this comment today, and I agree with it. www.facebook.com/Mediamatters/videos/10154960994046167/ I fail to see how you can make allowances for an egomaniacal manchild's rants, yet deny his targets an appropriate outlet for expression. They aren't ripping, burning or bird fingering the flag at all. Yet people react as if that is exactly what they are doing. |
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Post by rabid on Sept 28, 2017 22:45:13 GMT -7
I was at a banquet where we toasted a few people, and then were required to toast the president of the USA. At that moment, there was an audible grumble that went around the room of at least 200 people. While the presenter talked about toasting "the president" and "the president's office", at the end of it I loudly said "to the OFFICE." Some people glanced over; impossible to say if they found it rude or were in agreement. Given the quiet grumble that had gone through when it was originally announced, I think it was agreement. I've never seen anything remotely like that before; and I go to a couple banquets a year. What, you don't think people felt that way about the last sad sack, sorry loser who was elected to that office? Let's use the analogy that pisses off the most people every time I've used it.
Which president:
Expanded a foreign war? Enacted financial reforms to spare billionaires from the disastrous consequences of their actions? Engaged in extra-judicial executions of American citizens?
Well all of those sound fucking terrible. It's a shame that presidents would order such things from behind the desk that JFK and WJC got BJ's from...but which president was it?
Bush, or Obama?
Well, dang skippy, you're right...the answer is BOTH. The only difference between Bush the lesser and Obama the first is that Obama got a NOBEL PEACE PRICE FOR HIS BULLSHIT.
Awarded to him by liberals for doing the shame shit that Bush did. Now that Trump is president the war drums beat again. If you actually think political party matters or is a signal of virtue in the modern world, that democratic/liberal/progressives are good and that republican/Christian/islamist are bad, then congratulations, you are a Jonestown idiot, cyanide laced kool aid swilling IDIOT.
The fact is that people in power will ALWAYS act toward their own best interest. Doesn't matter if it's Jerry Falwell or P.Z. Myers. Obama HAD to expand the war, or he'd have pollack'd mainstreat with his brains. Same shit with trump, which is why he has turned from an anti-war president to being *the one* who can fix it. He has to continue the wars or he is a dead man. I've been in the military for 25 years, I harbor no illusions about who is in charge here.
It's just fucking amazing to me how the orange haired buffoon in charge now is vilified for doing the same shit that the Obama was hailed for, that the dumbshit dubya was vilified for.
None of this shit matters. The best you can hope for is Peace, love, and TOTAL U.S WESTERN DOMINATION THROUGH FINANCE.
anything less than that and the nukes start flying. In which case since rogue states without western influence will have NUKES within 5 years (thanks to William Jefferson Clinton and barack Obama), is inevitable.
The way I see it, republicans give the incentive for the wars, democrats capitulate and provide the enemies the means with which to destroy us.
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Post by Gorn on Oct 1, 2017 6:15:39 GMT -7
I have never heard a grumble go through a room about any other president. So NO, I don't think "people felt that way about the last" president. While you make correct points, you leave out a few relevant facts:
Trump is an egomaniacal idiot who cannot accept the tiniest amount of criticism. He takes to twitter because his ego is unbelievably fragile. He claims vindication when his uneducated supporters like and retweet him; since facts can be alternate. THIS, I think, is what people grumble about. That someone who should be entirely preoccupied with the items you mention is also entirely preoccupied with a SPORTS PLAYER politely declining to go to the white house. And that is just this week. How about his insistence that any news critical of him is actually lies? This guy literally acts like he's 4 years old. That's why the room grumbles.
And probably the most important in terms of human survival within the next 83 years, nevermind the next 100: Democrats give the incentive for environmental protection and reform, while republicans capitulate to greedy oil interests and provide those enemies of all mankind the means with which to destroy their own country, along with at least most of the human race, and possibly all of it along with an unknown amount of the ecosystems. Wars don't have the potential to wipe out all of humanity unless it's a nuclear exchange between USA and Russia.
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Post by starcruiser on Oct 1, 2017 8:03:22 GMT -7
Sad thing is - Trump's IQ is actually pretty high but, his inability to handle criticism and the stressful nature of the job he just won, are exposing his weaknesses.
Trump is not merely an egomaniac, he's a conman - a really good conman. He's played people for many years and this latest con job was his greatest achievement. It's still -slightly- possible that he may rise to the challenge and become at least a decent President but, I don't hold out much hope there.
His administration has been mired in piles 'o corruption from day one and he has lost most of his initial cabinet to that corruption already. The jury's still out on the whole Russia connection and one has to wonder where that may lead.
He's really making Bush Jr. look might good (I personally liked Bush Jr. - he was just in over his head)!
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Post by cowboy40 on Oct 1, 2017 12:22:05 GMT -7
depends on what rooms you are in...all i see here is a bunch of crying because the wicked bitch of the west lost her bid for office...
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Post by Gorn on Oct 1, 2017 20:13:09 GMT -7
I don't think the alternate was ever considered good. Trump was more of a rejection of the status quo and the system as it is. It's one or the other.
Justin Trudeau was elected to reject republican (called "conservatives" in Canada) greed, lies and control
Brexit was chosen to uphold republican isolationism and control immigration
The third major election was counseled to look at those results. Unfortunately, USA ignored the results of Brexit, and something far worse than Hillary got in, which history is already showing.
If republicans think that they can continue to violate the ecosystems of the world and do whatever they want, nature will come back and bite them in the ass. They fuck up this planet for every one else. Good work.
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Post by cowboy40 on Oct 3, 2017 16:48:58 GMT -7
now we fall back to the tree huger line....wow....
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Post by cowboy40 on Oct 3, 2017 22:01:41 GMT -7
Again we have one side accusing the other of something here. It is neither liberal or conservative that has lead our world to the brink...it has been all of us. We all drive cars, we all enjoy the use of electricity..we all have benefited from the industrial revolution. All of us in the developed world are responsible. Don't fool yourself otherwise.
As for good or bad in the White House...give the present occupant the same chance that we gave the last...frankly Trump can't screw up any worse then Obama....we can't judge a president that has not even had the office for a year..and if you do, then your fooling yourself, and well i won't go any farther in the statement. If it was Hillary in the office you would be telling us who opposed her, to give her a chance. So why don't you give him the chance you would have asked us to give the "Wicked Bitch of the West"?
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Oct 5, 2017 8:17:50 GMT -7
I voted for Gary Johnson hoping he'd have a chance.
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Post by Gorn on Oct 5, 2017 13:02:28 GMT -7
Telling people that the environment WILL bite them in the ass is hardly being a "tree huger"[sic]. It is a statement of fact. When you put CO2 back into Earth's atmosphere wholesale, you WILL get Global Warming. The claim that everyone is responsible for Global Warming is also palpable bullshit. The oil companies have dominated diverse markets (and the republican party) and made it this way, burying the electric car for decades. GOVERNMENT is responsible for protecting the environment and the population. We have one party that does it much more, and another party that tosses that idea in the scrapheap, appointing oil-PAID cronies to environmental and Science positions like the scum Lamar Smith from? anybody? TEXAS. www.syfy.com/syfywire/when-it-comes-climate-change-some-people-just-want-watch-world-burnGovernmental policy decisions should be taken only by polisci teenage students who can never draw a salary from interest groups or receive any funding or donations. They have to inherit the planet; they'll do a far better job. Southerners sure as hell would never allow a council of SCIENTISTS to make decisions, that's for sure! |
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Post by cowboy40 on Oct 5, 2017 13:29:17 GMT -7
This conversation has bored me...as usual...There is no point continuing this...Certain members would rather stand on political name calling and well it gets old....Once again i have grown bored with it...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 18:59:30 GMT -7
I said quite a while ago Mr. Trump would have difficulty as president, and I said why. I also said Mrs. Clinton would have difficulties in the office, perhaps even worse than those experienced by Mr. Trump, and I said why.
It's funny... People keep saying they want an "outsider" in office. Well, you have one now.
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Post by starcruiser on Oct 9, 2017 7:28:29 GMT -7
The one hope is - even the Republicans are getting tired of his shit...
Bob Corker let fly with some broadsides and others (not just McCain) have been chafing at the bit lately.
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Post by Gorn on Oct 9, 2017 9:27:21 GMT -7
So the result is either he stays and makes a corrupt chaotic mess of the office and government, or he gets impeached and the USA goes back to the same old same old he was meant to stop.
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Post by cowboy40 on Oct 9, 2017 9:35:34 GMT -7
People the problem is here, he hasn't violated the rules of office. impeachment is just charges being brought by the House of Representatives. These charges are then heard "in trial" by the Senate.
In actuality i believe Obama did more things that would have lead to impeachment then Trump. I know Clinton did.
For all those who are screaming impeach him....i suggest that you all read the document you are trying to subvert and do away with anyway...people pull your thumb out of your ass...and read the US Constitution.
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Post by Gorn on Oct 9, 2017 14:12:06 GMT -7
Unfortunately, there's nothing in it about the elected choice being a senile egotistical asshole. If Trump is so great, what are the amazing things he accomplished as prez so far aside from utter bullshit presented as "alternate facts"? Do they want an utter asshole in that position so we don't see what the rest of the party is up to? Like that shitbag Lamar Smith, who is trying to get NASA to stop studying Earth?
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