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Post by Dominator2278 on Sept 5, 2018 16:54:12 GMT -7
I didn’t know the citadel fasa ships were modified from the originals. Were the nacelles on all the ships beefed up or just the Connie refit and chandly. Does anyone have any more pictures comparing the ships?
Anyone use the furuta Japanese models for gaming? I think some tng sized ships would be close to the same scale
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Post by Gorn on Sept 6, 2018 4:59:13 GMT -7
I'm not at all crazy about the micromachines TMP Enterprise, but what can you do? The FASA one is a nightmare with the weak nacelle pylons constantly getting bent or broken off. I've been looking for a resin copy, but no dice so far. Does anyone know of a 3D printed one?
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Post by trynda1701 on Sept 6, 2018 6:19:04 GMT -7
I didn’t know the citadel fasa ships were modified from the originals. Were the nacelles on all the ships beefed up or just the Connie refit and chandly. Does anyone have any more pictures comparing the ships? Anyone use the furuta Japanese models for gaming? I think some tng sized ships would be close to the same scale The Citadel Klingon D-7 is one piece compared to four(?) for the FASA one. The Klingon Bird of Prey is three piece instead of six possibly? On the FASA one, the disruptor cannons are separate from the wings, whereas they are less detailed but part of the wing on the Citadel version. I think(?) the Reliant is beefed up compared to the FASA one, but I don't have any of the FASA ones. For all the ships I mentioned above, check earlier in this thread for pics of the Citadel versions. I made specific notes when I posted pics if it was a Citadel version over the FASA variant. It was part of the reason I created this thread as a resource for fellow FASA gamers.
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Post by Dominator2278 on Sept 6, 2018 8:53:09 GMT -7
Sweet thanks for the info!
Just took a look at memory alpha and it appears the Akira class at 1/3870, Ambassador class at 1/3714 and concept ambassador at 1/3750 are close enough to fit in pretty well with the fasa ships. I was going to look at shapeways for an enterprise C in 3900 but I think I’ll stick the eaglemoss for now.
Apparently the micro machine Grissom is a good fit for 2500 scale as well. I’m digging thru my micros now trying to find a stargazer to steal its nacelles for whenever I get something to kit bash togeather.
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Post by trynda1701 on Sept 6, 2018 9:24:46 GMT -7
Yes, the Micromachines minis have a few minis to use in FASA games, as I talked about WAY back in this thread.
Quite a few are within millimetres in size to the FASA/Citadel equivalents. And even the Excelsior could be used, because it is so distinct in style, it can't be anything else.
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Post by Dominator2278 on Sept 6, 2018 14:35:34 GMT -7
Your tips are spot on tryda1701 I found some of my micro ships! Compared a fasa nacelle with the micro enterprise and reliant nacelles. They appear to be perfect matches dispite the saucers being oversized to the fasa refit. I also got out the eaglemoss enterprise-c to see how it’s stacks up with the micro machines. As you can see my stargazer has a wonky saucer. Making it a prime candidate to chop up for parts. You guys probably already know, but a near perfect match for a fasa scaled Connie refit is the Furuta set b enterprise. Surprised me how dead on the size is, though to me the sculpt seems to have too thick of a saucer when viewed from the sides. To the left of the Furuta is the fasa refit saucer.
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Post by JAFisher44 on Sept 6, 2018 17:31:03 GMT -7
Aack! I don't know if it's just the angle but that MM Enterprise looks HORRID from the top!
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Post by Gorn on Sept 12, 2018 20:17:57 GMT -7
The MM Ent-A is not very good. Their TOS Ent is fantastic! I use their Rom BOP as the "Gallant Wing"; larger than the underpowered scout BOP(according to FASA) from Balance of Terror. Not so crazy for the MM L-42, but I think my disruptors have broken off the FASA metal one yet again. I can always use another D7! The Fed shuttle (way out of proportion!) is getting repainted and adding some toothpick cannons as a Gorn Transport. As for the MM Excelsior, since it's so proportionately smaller, I think I might cut off the transwarp nacelles, and glue them to a reliant model - making the Mirror Universe invasion scenario one! I swear to the Universe that I won't use that borgcube at all. Pathetic fanfic is not at all what I'm doing; Discrapery has that covered. All in all, the MM kit was a very good buy.
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Post by trynda1701 on Sept 13, 2018 12:16:57 GMT -7
I got that set years ago, it was good value then, don't know what they go for now.
I'd say the MM Ent-A is better than the FASA version in sturdiness, but is of course still bendy. You have to store them carefully.
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Sept 13, 2018 19:39:41 GMT -7
Anyone ever notice TOS Enterprise Micro Machine seems based on the Franz Joseph Blueprint Enterprise?
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Post by starcruiser on Sept 13, 2018 20:57:37 GMT -7
Yep - that's a fact jack!
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Post by trynda1701 on Sept 14, 2018 5:59:41 GMT -7
Anyone ever notice TOS Enterprise Micro Machine seems based on the Franz Joseph Blueprint Enterprise? This I did not know. Just have a look now. Although there are more choices these days (Futura, Shapeways), I'm just thinking how mini variations of the TOS ship I personally have from back in the FASA days. Let's see... FASA version (flimsy), ADB SL2400 version (sturdier, like how the Citadel refit TMP Enterprise is to the flimsy FASA version), the old plastic Gamescience version and the MM version.
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Sept 15, 2018 19:12:10 GMT -7
Anyone ever notice TOS Enterprise Micro Machine seems based on the Franz Joseph Blueprint Enterprise? This I did not know. Just have a look now. Although there are more choices these days (Futura, Shapeways), I'm just thinking how mini variations of the TOS ship I personally have from back in the FASA days. Let's see... FASA version (flimsy), ADB SL2400 version (sturdier, like how the Citadel refit TMP Enterprise is to the flimsy FASA version), the old plastic Gamescience version and the MM version. Coolies
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Post by rabid on Sept 22, 2018 20:11:16 GMT -7
This thread wins...
I've seen a lot of ships on Shapeways, even the connie refit. I'm about to roll the dice on that one in 1/3125, also pick up some fed ships in 1/3125.
The problem is getting ships to match precisely. 1/3900 or 1/3788 are barely noticeable on board, but to match the Klingons with micro-machines the 1/3125 is the most abundant scale and seems close enough.
For that reason and looking at this thread (which wins by the way) I'm using 1/3900 fed ships and 1/3125 Klingon/romulan ships (all because of Woomera's L-13!!). 1/3900 in these seem to dinky and there's not a lot of selection. Sometimes like trynda has demonstrated, "relative" scale gets the job done.
Also, you guys should look at some Christmas ornaments, especially for TNG era ships. They are "close enough" when next to a micro machine, you can still get an idea of the overall scale.
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Post by Dominator2278 on Sept 23, 2018 11:33:42 GMT -7
Got my hands on a fasa and citadel tos enterprise. Citadel beefed up the struts. It's definitely an improvement without getting that overal chunk look that the citadel tmp enterprise has.
Rabid, I just ordered some Woomera ships! So far that's the only site I've found that does trek ships besides starfleet battles. Looking forward to seeing how they stack up with the fasa models. Really dig the tos resilient they have.
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Post by trynda1701 on Sept 24, 2018 15:01:37 GMT -7
Got my hands on a fasa and citadel tos enterprise. Citadel beefed up the struts. It's definitely an improvement without getting that overal chunk look that the citadel tmp enterprise has. Rabid, I just ordered some Woomera ships! So far that's the only site I've found that does trek ships besides starfleet battles. Looking forward to seeing how they stack up with the fasa models. Really dig the tos resilient they have. Could you post a pic of those two? I'd like to see the differences, and see what version I have (I suspect it's the FASA one). I'm not sure which one, because I got it at a bring and buy stall at a wargames show.
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Post by rabid on Sept 25, 2018 6:25:50 GMT -7
His L-13 is amazing, I have the l-9 and the d-18 (nonstandard bridge) and I'm buying his grim reaper next payday.
Based on my experience withthose you should be really happy!
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Post by Dominator2278 on Sept 28, 2018 23:07:50 GMT -7
Sure! Looks like they beefed up the neck a little too. There seems to be a real lack of models to go around now. From what I’ve seen in past posts in multiple forums. There use to be a good supply of resin copy’s of the fasa ships. I should have gotten into this a couple years ago. Now people are driving up prices for any old stock on eBay. The fasa version, while looking great, Is just unusable and cannot be handled without having the nacelle struts going crazy.
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Post by bernard Guignard on Sept 29, 2018 4:45:50 GMT -7
Sure! Looks like they beefed up the neck a little too. There seems to be a real lack of models to go around now. From what I’ve seen in past posts in multiple forums. There use to be a good supply of resin copy’s of the fasa ships. I should have gotten into this a couple years ago. Now people are driving up prices for any old stock on eBay. The fasa version, while looking great, Is just unusable and cannot be handled without having the nacelle struts going crazy. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentI ended up gluing toothpicks to the struts to stiffen them
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Post by trynda1701 on Sept 29, 2018 14:49:56 GMT -7
Thanks for those pics, Dominator2278 Looks like I have a Citadel version then. I've gone back and updated the picture caption on page 1 of this thread to reflect that. Didn't realise the FASA versions' nacelle struts were as flimsy as the FASA Enterprise class were!
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Post by rabid on Nov 13, 2018 21:30:09 GMT -7
So...looks like someone took the MicroMachines ships and did his best to compare them to "out of the box" scale!!
userpages.bright.net/~jackbohn/sf/micromac.htm
One thing that works well is to accommodate a 25% relative scale decrease between the most massive ships and your micro machines. As long as they have different engines it's hard to tell if you downscale an enterprise D relative to an enterprise "A", then it fits on the board.
X-wing did this with their correlian CR90 corvette. It conveys the impression of the larger size just fine. Finally there are enough options to fit on a 1" hex base, IF you keep ships of the same era in scale with each other.
Micro-machines 1/10000 or so for enterprise D, but now there are ships in 1/7000 on shapeways as well.
Anyone have an idea about the scale of the Enterprise D and E models in attack wing? How do the federation ships stack up? sorry if anyone already asked this.
The enterprise A "looks" really close to the micro machines based on detail> Can anyone mache them up?
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Post by starcruiser on Nov 14, 2018 9:07:26 GMT -7
Sure! Looks like they beefed up the neck a little too. There seems to be a real lack of models to go around now. From what I’ve seen in past posts in multiple forums. There use to be a good supply of resin copy’s of the fasa ships. I should have gotten into this a couple years ago. Now people are driving up prices for any old stock on eBay. The fasa version, while looking great, Is just unusable and cannot be handled without having the nacelle struts going crazy. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentI ended up gluing toothpicks to the struts to stiffen them I used paperclips as a source and trimmed a part of the struts out, superglued them in place - filed and painted... Stiff as a proverbial board!
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Post by thescreamingswede on Nov 14, 2018 13:10:59 GMT -7
So...looks like someone took the MicroMachines ships and did his best to compare them to "out of the box" scale!!
userpages.bright.net/~jackbohn/sf/micromac.htm
One thing that works well is to accommodate a 25% relative scale decrease between the most massive ships and your micro machines. As long as they have different engines it's hard to tell if you downscale an enterprise D relative to an enterprise "A", then it fits on the board.
X-wing did this with their correlian CR90 corvette. It conveys the impression of the larger size just fine. Finally there are enough options to fit on a 1" hex base, IF you keep ships of the same era in scale with each other.
Micro-machines 1/10000 or so for enterprise D, but now there are ships in 1/7000 on shapeways as well.
Anyone have an idea about the scale of the Enterprise D and E models in attack wing? How do the federation ships stack up? sorry if anyone already asked this.
The enterprise A "looks" really close to the micro machines based on detail> Can anyone mache them up?
While the miniatures in Star Trek Attack Wing are nice, they are so badly out of scale to each other they are hardly usable, at least by my standards. The TMP Enterprise is surprisingly close, but the TOS Enterprise, which isn't all that much smaller than its upgraded version, is hideously small. Even things like the runabouts are bigger mini wise than the TOS Enterprise. Then there is the Borg Cube. It looks fantastic next to the FASA minis, though again, I don't think it's in scale. The cube is just so big that it conveys the difference in size very well. The rest of the ships, especially TNG ones, are all over the map when it comes to size, and it reflects poorly when on the board. The Reman Warbird from Nemesis should be utterly huge, but it is about the same size mini wise as the V-30! Scaled down to be a ship of similar era, I've used it from time to time, but overall, it would never be as threatening as it should be.
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Post by rabid on Nov 15, 2018 16:43:25 GMT -7
JUst as well, I heard people are using attack wing ships for another Star Trek game. They are really hard to find! The heroclix/tactics ships can be found but are kind of pricey.
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Post by jeffwright on Nov 19, 2018 15:39:30 GMT -7
I used to have the FASA refit--but lost it.
I'd like to see Shaw do a drawing of it. The saucer is really thin--making it almost look like a larger ship.
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