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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 18:41:04 GMT -7
Not all the FASA ships are pretty.
What do you think is the ugliest FASA ship? I can't stand the Ariel Class (even before STD). It may not be the "Ugliest", but it just looks like a mistake.
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Post by Doctor's Authority on Nov 10, 2018 22:31:11 GMT -7
The Ariel wasn't a FASA design. I don't know if it's the ugliest, but I must mention the L-6 "Defender." It looks like a flying insect (fashionable for the Klingons, I guess), but I think it is out of place in the TOS. I just can't imagine that design being in the TOS (probably along with others). Some say FASA's art was more geared toward the TMP era, but the feature films themselves apparently gave no consideration to FASA.  |
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Post by cowboy40 on Nov 10, 2018 22:41:35 GMT -7
For the Federation ships in FASA, I think the Brenton class cruiser is butt ugly, but she is a good ship in play terms....
for the Rumulans, I would give the nod to the V-6 "Gallant Wing" her proportions just look off to me!
For the Klingons, I wold have to go with the L-13 "Fatman" battleships...even though i love this design and i think it is fun to play just because of everything that is just wrong with it!!
and everything Gorn....they look like bricks floating in space!!!
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Post by krebizfan on Nov 10, 2018 22:57:58 GMT -7
Someone is FASA liked the wasp style abdomen look since it was used in the L6, D9, and several freighters. It fit with the FASA depiction of the Klingons that they would have multiple distinct design teams.
The ugliest FASA designs were those done for the TNG supplements like Wellington and Moscow. It wasn't even a useful type of ugly where looks were sacrificed for more efficient allocation of space; much of the ugliness created sections too small to be used for anything.
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 11, 2018 7:23:07 GMT -7
There are no ugly FASA ships, just some that are misunderstood!  Seriously though, yes, the TNG designs that FASA came up with just didn't work. Ugly as sin! The thing that got to me especially was that the vertical design of some of them just didn't make sense. No style, and they just looked fragile as well as ugly. Some, like the ones mentioned above, eg the Brenton, were ugly, but good ships stats wise, as cowboy40 says. But I got hold of a few Brenton minis (and some Durrett minis) a while back. Must get round to painting them! |
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Post by starcruiser on Nov 11, 2018 9:29:26 GMT -7
Nearly everything in the TNG supplement was just plain terrible... The only significant exceptions were the official ships.
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Post by JAFisher44 on Nov 11, 2018 11:24:15 GMT -7
Honestly I don't have any problems with any FASA designs from the KSRM or the RSRM. Both of these manuals have some ships that are better than others, of course, but even the worst offenders are borning at worst. None of the designs jump out at me as really bad. All of the really ugly ships are Federation ships. From that manual the ugly ships are the Lenthal, Babcock, Bader, and Keith everything else is like the other manuals, some good, some plain and uninteresting but not really offensive. The Next Generation Officers manual is so bad I just don't recognize it's existence.
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Post by cowboy40 on Nov 11, 2018 21:09:25 GMT -7
Honestly I don't have any problems with any FASA designs from the KSRM or the RSRM. Both of these manuals have some ships that are better than others, of course, but even the worst offenders are borning at worst. None of the designs jump out at me as really bad. All of the really ugly ships are Federation ships. From that manual the ugly ships are the Lenthal, Babcock, Bader, and Keith everything else is like the other manuals, some good, some plain and uninteresting but not really offensive. The Next Generation Officers manual is so bad I just don't recognize it's existence. They may be ugly, but some of them fight fairly well.... |
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Post by krebizfan on Nov 11, 2018 22:29:36 GMT -7
The Keith is one of the ugly for reasons of practicality designs I like. It just feels like the chunky layered engineering section would be appropriate for a ship intended to carry a lot of easily accessible cargo.
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Post by tinker on Nov 12, 2018 6:00:32 GMT -7
For the Federation ships in FASA, I think the Brenton class cruiser is butt ugly, but she is a good ship in play terms.... for the Rumulans, I would give the nod to the V-6 "Gallant Wing" her proportions just look off to me! For the Klingons, I wold have to go with the L-13 "Fatman" battleships...even though i love this design and i think it is fun to play just because of everything that is just wrong with it!! and everything Gorn....they look like bricks floating in space!!! Cowboy, I think you pretty much nailed it for me. |
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Nov 12, 2018 11:03:00 GMT -7
The funny thing for me is that some of my favorite ships (like the Chandley) that I absolutely adore in one view I also consider ugly as sin in another (the side view).
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Post by starcruiser on Nov 12, 2018 20:07:18 GMT -7
"Unbalanced" is probably a good way to describe some of the FASA designs... Looks good from this direction, looks odd from that direction and ... "OH GOD, MY EYES!" from this other direction...
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Post by thescreamingswede on Nov 13, 2018 1:08:29 GMT -7
Of all the designs they produced, I have always been the least impressed by the V-27 "Comet of Destruction". It looks terrible, at least the book version anyway.
The Liberty freighter also looks kind of... awkward.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 14:44:43 GMT -7
The Ariel wasn't a FASA design. Yeah, it's not really a FASA design, but it was not an official Trek Design either. It was really just a concept for Star Trek Phase II. They probably could have gotten away with leaving it out. |
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Post by starcruiser on Nov 13, 2018 17:59:03 GMT -7
It was actually -derived- from a concept for ST Phase II. The original was created by Ralph McQuarrie:  |
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Post by rabid on Nov 13, 2018 19:51:50 GMT -7
Actually i like the Brenton (This sites version of it anyway). Not a big fan of the Genser or the Babcock.
Royal sovereign and Wellington are ugly AF but the best view on these is dorsal view in my minority opinion. Maybe with those if someone started from the top and rebuilt them they could work.
But to me the ugliest are the Romulan V-27 and the Keith...
Which now that I think About it looks a lot like the Genser and Babcock from the top.
Maybe if you flipped the engines to the dorsal side of the Keith it wouldn't be so bad.
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Post by krebizfan on Nov 13, 2018 20:28:57 GMT -7
I always thought the McQuarrie design was a bit too early 70s looking like a B70 with a saucer in the front.
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Post by trekee2018 on Nov 16, 2018 13:21:22 GMT -7
As many ugly looking FASA designs as there are, the Babcock class takes the cake. When I first saw it my reaction was, "What were they thinking?"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2018 21:20:23 GMT -7
As many ugly looking FASA designs as there are, the Babcock class takes the cake. When I first saw it my reaction was, "What were they thinking?" Yeah... that ship does look reall bad. |
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Post by cowboy40 on Nov 16, 2018 22:49:14 GMT -7
As many ugly looking FASA designs as there are, the Babcock class takes the cake. When I first saw it my reaction was, "What were they thinking?" Yeah... that ship does look reall bad. Babcock is no where as bad as the Wellington from the TNG Officers Manual...Wellington is just butt fugly |
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Post by starcruiser on Nov 17, 2018 14:38:59 GMT -7
Don't be insulting butts - there are some butts that are attractive... The Wellington, on the other hand...gagh...
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Post by jeffwright on Nov 19, 2018 15:42:25 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 16:29:25 GMT -7
DOH! Brain-fart. Thanks for the correction.
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Post by tinker on Nov 20, 2018 5:55:57 GMT -7
I thought it still had the radar dish deflector as part of this concept. The Ugh! version looks to be a blending of the Phase II and TMP Enterprise. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 6:01:54 GMT -7
It looks like the Enterprise was rear-ended by an Imperial Star Destroyer.
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