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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Jan 24, 2019 17:58:00 GMT -7
Thanks for the screen pic as it definitely answers the question. I don't actually get that in my browser (firefox) and I wonder if it is flash based as I have flash turned off along with some other things like auto-redirects/downloads and such for web security purposes. Here's what I see when I go there:
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Post by JAFisher44 on Jan 24, 2019 22:02:09 GMT -7
I was searching for "Marklin" on shapeways today and found out that someone has stolen my models from the Sketchup Warehouse and is selling them from their shapeways store. I'll have to get them taken down and if that seller has made any money from my work I'll expect them to turn it over.
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Post by rabid on Jan 24, 2019 22:54:19 GMT -7
you can always expect some dirty dog to pick up the easy meat. People have done the same thing on Deviant Art with star trek models. It's so easy and such a small community it would be hard to notice a little graft here and there. That's the problem with free source anything.
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Post by JAFisher44 on Jan 25, 2019 7:39:46 GMT -7
Shapeways is unwilling to tell me if the seller has even sold any of my models, let alone how much money they have made off my work.
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Jan 25, 2019 9:26:30 GMT -7
That really sucks. Did they take down the listing at least? I don't see an identical model, just the ones under your account.
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Jan 25, 2019 12:38:03 GMT -7
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Post by rabid on Jan 25, 2019 12:38:03 GMT -7
Well that takes shapeways down a peg or two in my opinion.
They shouldn't allow IP theft.
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Post by JAFisher44 on Jan 25, 2019 23:20:25 GMT -7
To be clear, Shapeways does not allow IP theft. They want me to ask the seller to take the stuff down voluntarily. If the seller refuses I can then file a DMCA against the seller. If it gets that far Shapeways will take the model down.
What upsets me is that if that seller has sold my models for profit I feel that I am entitled to that money. But how can I pursue that? I would just ask the guy to be a decent person and voluntarily compensate me, but I would at least to know how much to ask for. I'm certainly not going to trust the seller who stole my IP in the first place to honestly disclose how much he has made from my work. I suppose I could file suit and subpoena the information from Shapeways. But what if I do that and it turns out he's earned very little or even nothing? It will end up being a waste of my time and money.
It's not like I want them to turn over the sellers complete records. But it seems reasonable to me that if I can demonstrate that the seller has stolen my IP then shapeways could at least tell me, "Seller has earned a total of $X.XX from combined sales of your IP." Then at least I would know if it's worth pursuing.
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Jan 28, 2019 17:42:17 GMT -7
You can ask but they are under no obligation to do anything unless you win in court. Sadly, that's the case and it's much more expensive to persue it in court than what you'll likely ever get back in return for one model's sales on shapeways (plus whatever punitive damages) unless you just happen to be in the same area as the copycat and you can sue him/her in small claims court instead. Realistically, the best you can hope for is that the item is taken down and maybe the seller gets kicked off of the platform but even that last part is probably a stretch.
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Post by rabid on Jul 3, 2019 20:41:05 GMT -7
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Post by jeffwright on Jul 27, 2019 12:38:44 GMT -7
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Jul 27, 2019 17:39:53 GMT -7
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Post by rabid on Jul 27, 2019 17:39:53 GMT -7
I've had a lot of luck asking for specific designs from various modelers I mentioned before.
I'd like to see the Indomitable and the Knox class frigate, just get an account and ask around.
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Jul 27, 2019 18:14:40 GMT -7
I found out something interesting with Shapeways recently. I've been working on my first real digital Trek ship kitbash (or remix in thingiverse terms) and I uploaded it to shapeways to see if it was printable and then redownloaded the "fixed" file to see close up what they changed. The model was *SIGNIFICANTLY* downgraded in quality in areas that required no actual fixing with the file size decreased from 53mb to only 2.5mb for their smoothest fine detail plastic setting! Details that probably wouldn't have shown up at 1/3900 scale like the panel lines on the saucer were completely obliterated as were various somewhat shallow engine panels. Admittedly, some of those details wouldn't be well resolved even at the smallest 16 micron layer height but it would be nice if they at least tried. Instead they "fix" the model to look like you sculpted it out of butter and left it in the sun for a few minutes. I don't know if this is a new thing or what but I'm definitely not ordering their best quality of that "fixed" model just to save them a bit of slicer time. It's not as bad at 1/2500 scale but the downgrade is still quite noticeable from the original even at that scale which should resolve many of the details with 16 micron layers.
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Post by tosfan1956 on Jul 28, 2019 15:27:22 GMT -7
Wow! That’s ugly! (What they did to it) I’d buy your version but not too sure about theirs. It’s either butter or maybe they saw those naked and afraid crewmen through the windows.
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Jul 28, 2019 18:13:50 GMT -7
I paid close attention to the areas they highlighted as problematic in regards to wall thickness and they were all centered around the deflector dish with no other areas pinging as an issue. I expected some changes there (although I didn't expect them to turn the whole assembly into something more akin to TMP!) but not the other stuff. It may not be evident from my pic but the nacelles have lost a bunch of details like the back being totally changed and the side panels running half the length just gone. If I'm paying for the highest level of detail you offer, I accept that even with that level some details may not be visible regardless but I expect them to at least try! I would never have expected them to obliterate so much for their own convenience by converting it to a model with 1/20th the level of detail (as measured by filesize). You mentioned the portholes so I'll use that as another example. I don't expect them to resolve at 1/3900 (5.8cm length) as anything more than pinpricks that will likely be filled in by the primer coat but I'd at least like them to try; at 1/2500 scale (9cm length), I would expect to have them resolve as divots that I could primer/paint and then add a tiny dot of wash to accentuate similar to saucer panel lines. Neither really show up on either scale.
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Post by rabid on Feb 10, 2021 1:36:05 GMT -7
SITZKRIEG! lots of problems with nacelle pylons too. I would rather have them thicker/cartoony than to snap in shipment. finally got around to painting some shapeways models, I'm painting shiftdel k'teremny (1/3125) and his Gorn BH-2. Building an assault ship from columbia aerodrome, then @crazyeddy ships in 1/3124 (l-24, romulan stormbird, fed frigates). Also non-shapeways like woomera shipyards L-9, D-18 Gull and L-13 fat man, I'll post pictures in "rabid's starships". A few notes: Makes me happy when they put a post-hole in the ship Basic shapeways plastic likes a coat of primer and then paint, takes up acrylic like a sponge to water. actually I think one could save a lot of $$ on models with acrylic primer. 2 coats on white standard plastic looks like 1 coat on the high detail.
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Feb 10, 2021 18:02:11 GMT -7
Yeah, there are certain parts that I try to fatten up like the pylons if they're too screen accurate just for durability on the tabletop. I'm looking forward to seeing your comparisons between the shapeways and Woomera ships in terms of resolved casting details. While I've kitbashed a whole bunch of ships digitally over the past year or two, I haven't actually printed any since my first two runs when I was just testing out my resin printer and ended up with the U.S.S. Cactus (or alternately Plucked Chicken) when I didn't know what I was doing with placing manual supports!
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Post by rabid on Feb 11, 2021 8:31:00 GMT -7
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Feb 11, 2021 8:58:06 GMT -7
No. I don't 3d model stuff myself and only kitbash other people's designs so I wouldn't sell any of them though I did put a few up on my blog there were creative commons free licensed (mainly from Tycen/CaptainMojo). I just uploaded my NXL refit to shapeways a while back to see how they "fixed" it and how much it would cost to print with them.
I can't justify paying shapeways prices now when I have an entry level 3d resin printer sitting idle in the basement waiting for spring and the return of warmer temperatures that I can actually safely print in.
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