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Post by rabid on Sept 1, 2021 10:11:05 GMT -7
Here is the original "Sparrow Hawk" I drew WAYYYYYY back in 1991. It was meant to be a smaller/escort version of the t-10. Once again my primitive scrawls are in the BUB category (butt-ugly baby). I won't post the stats but highlights are as follows: 30 power points 2/1 MPR shields 1/3 with 15 RB-9s with 2 f, 2 fp, 2fs, 1 pa and 1 Sa. It's meant to zip around the periphery taking long range pot-shots against larger ships, the D was like 124 so a lot could be fielded against the federation heavies. I know the meta around here doesn't favor dinky ships but if a few of these slip into a formation while cloaked, they can be a huge pain in the neck. Next up is my brother's design (traced) but once we put it together, I wondered why no one appeared to have thought of it before. That said it is a generic "add another nacelle" ship. This one was especially lethal because he loaded it with some KD-12's to cover the gap between KD-13 and torpedo arcs. Trying to alpha strike into the port/aft or starboard aft meant a face full of 9 damage per shot disrupters. Very specific application and fun as hell when it works. It's a torpedo monster but was still fun to play. I always pictured it with a 2 tone color scheme, sepulcher black on top and curdled blood red on the underside, like a vampire/manta ray.
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on Sept 1, 2021 12:43:20 GMT -7
Were you also a fan of SFB? The tri-engine format was pretty popular there though I can't recall any fasa designs with it. Regardless, cool idea for a classic awesome ship!
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Sept 1, 2021 17:54:53 GMT -7
Great upgrade of the D-10 and Nice Romulan ship
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Post by rabid on Sept 2, 2021 6:21:28 GMT -7
Were you also a fan of SFB? The tri-engine format was pretty popular there though I can't recall any fasa designs with it. Regardless, cool idea for a classic awesome ship! I played a few times, usually either kzinti or ISC. I like the klingon frigate designs and the Romulan Condor, always thought it would be cool to have a "big fat" battle, that is the L-13 vs Romulan Condor, Gorn BH2 and Fed Dreadnought.
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Post by rabid on Nov 1, 2021 16:29:35 GMT -7
What color palettes are people using for Klingon and romulan ships? www.tacticalstarshipcombat.com/FASA/TheFasaListing/index7.htmlI found the following are good: Acrylic flat chromate green Flat green Flat olive drab But I am trying to get some metallic colors or matte grays similar to the old FASA ad. I mean what did they paint that winged defender with?
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Post by trynda1701 on Nov 1, 2021 17:33:12 GMT -7
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Post by JAFisher44 on Nov 1, 2021 19:21:23 GMT -7
Is this close? Sparrow Hawk Class Escort | Mk I | | | Ship Class | VI | | | Superstructure | 17 | | | Computer Type | R5M | Cloaking Device | RCC | Power Requirement | 15 | Crew | 141 | | | Total Power | 30 | Movement Ratio | 2/1 | Engine Type | RWD-2 | Number | 1 | Power Units | 18 | Stress Charts | O/Q | Cruising Speed | 6 | Max Speed | 7 | | | Impulse Engine Type | RID-3 | Number | 1 | Power Units | 12 | | | Beam Weapon Type | RB-9 | Number | 8 | Firing Arcs | 2f/p, 2f, 2f/s, 1a/p, 1a/s | Max Power | 6 | Damage Modifiers | | +3 | (1-8) | +2 | (9-16) | +1 | (17-20) | | | Shields | RSL | Shield Point Ratio | 1/3 | Max Shields | 15 |
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Post by rabid on Nov 2, 2021 11:50:28 GMT -7
@jafisher yes I think that's it exactly. I'm not sure it it's a "legal" design though. I remember it allocated well, but for canon's sake I'm not sure a romulan ship that small would warrant the cost of shields that good.
@trynda actually I have been following your pain guide. I should have tried that shop though. Testor's just doesn't have much. I really need a substitute for "light gull gray"
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Post by JAFisher44 on Nov 2, 2021 21:19:43 GMT -7
@jafisher yes I think that's it exactly. I'm not sure it it's a "legal" design though. I remember it allocated well, but for canon's sake I'm not sure a romulan ship that small would warrant the cost of shields that good. It's 100% legal. The warp/impulse combo is the ONLY way to get 30 power on this small a ship with a 2/1 MPR. Weapons were already shared by you and the shields were easy enough to figure once I had the class. Same with the cloak. Computer is the smalles one that will handle that much WDF. By the way, it's actually bigger than a T-10.
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Post by rabid on Nov 10, 2021 19:54:56 GMT -7
@jafisher yes I think that's it exactly. I'm not sure it it's a "legal" design though. I remember it allocated well, but for canon's sake I'm not sure a romulan ship that small would warrant the cost of shields that good. It's 100% legal. The warp/impulse combo is the ONLY way to get 30 power on this small a ship with a 2/1 MPR. Weapons were already shared by you and the shields were easy enough to figure once I had the class. Same with the cloak. Computer is the smalles one that will handle that much WDF. By the way, it's actually bigger than a T-10. I should rework it thematically, it looks like I made the romulan "remora".
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Post by rabid on May 11, 2022 21:15:54 GMT -7
Paint update! the Klingon Fleet is done! Woomera/studio Bergstrom FAT MAN and D-10 The fatman is jealous of his more carb-conscious brother: But decides more beer always helps. This is an overprotected Assault Ship...but it's carrying the order of the batleth and stuff... Detail on the L-24. This is Shapeway's "White processed" plastic. The bumps aren't as evident on the game board, but if you are thinking shapeways instead of a resin print, even after 3 coats of paint it will look leprous up close.
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Post by trynda1701 on May 12, 2022 3:52:31 GMT -7
rabid VERY nice minis. Cool paint jobs. The Bergstrom L-13 looks a bit more vertically sided than I thought it would. Shouldn't it flare out a bit more towards the bottom of the sides? Plus, what ship is that in the fourth picture, between the L-13 and L-24?
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Post by rabid on May 12, 2022 4:40:40 GMT -7
rabid VERY nice minis. Cool paint jobs. The Bergstrom L-13 looks a bit more vertically sided than I thought it would. Shouldn't it flare out a bit more towards the bottom of the sides? Plus, what ship is that in the fourth picture, between the L-13 and L-24? That's a T-3 mover class assault ship in 1/3900 www.ststcsolda.space/klingons/T-3/T-3.html
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Post by trynda1701 on May 12, 2022 6:31:25 GMT -7
rabid VERY nice minis. Cool paint jobs. The Bergstrom L-13 looks a bit more vertically sided than I thought it would. Shouldn't it flare out a bit more towards the bottom of the sides? Plus, what ship is that in the fourth picture, between the L-13 and L-24? That's a T-3 mover class assault ship in 1/3900 www.ststcsolda.space/klingons/T-3/T-3.htmlAh, gotcha! From Shapeways, per chance?
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Post by rabid on May 12, 2022 10:03:59 GMT -7
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on May 13, 2022 20:44:59 GMT -7
Lovely ships
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Post by atolm on May 14, 2022 14:40:19 GMT -7
Epic! Fatman for the gundamn Win!!!
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Post by rabid on May 21, 2022 23:17:07 GMT -7
Presenting an Orion Ship, the Orion Blackwing Class Raider! Operating in the infamous "Triangle", while heavily armed, the Blackwing Class raider was not designed to engage heavy capital ships. The Blackwing carries a startling number of FP-1 torpedoes mounted on the dorsal command pod and along the raised spine on the dorsal aspect of the ship. The Orion Blackwing's 5 FP-1 torpedoes, though the damage yield is less than 50% of the most current federation technology, and the range is some 40,000 km shorter, the Orions appear to have capitalized on the lack of substantial torpedo armament within escort classes of the major powers. The Blackwing outguns the D-2 Stingtongue and has greater durability in combat. Ranges of less than 120,000 KM can be deadly for even the most potent vessels so it is imperative to keep the Blackwing from closing the distance. When outgunned, the Orion cartels usually withdraw, but the Orion Blackwing is a potent escalation of force. Cartels and syndicates equipped with Blackwing raiders should be expected to be more aggressive. Until the discrepancy can be corrected, destroyer squadrons will have to be redirected to meet this threat, which leaves core systems less protected in an effort to maintain supply routes. The Blackwing operates in conjunction with Orion Lighting class blockade runners. The Blackwing can quickly disable merchant ships and crush most escort class warships, softening convoys for capture by various Orion Cartel Factions. Where there is a Blackwing, usually light Orion Freighters are not far behind. If thus engaged, escort squadron commanders are encouraged to destroy the raider's freighter escorts. This may divert the Blackwing long enough for convoys to escape or render the raid useless by depriving the Orions of the ability to secure their plunder. The Orion Blackwing is powered by 2 OWA-2 warp engines and the OIC-2 impulse battery, making it very maneuverable (MPR 2/1). The torpedo armament is supplemented by longer range disrupter weapons, according to unverified intelligence reports, it is capable of bearing 2 OD-4's in 2 banks mounted forward port and forward starboard. Escort squadron commanders should consider that the faster the Blackwing is maneuvering, the more likely it is to have torpedoes armed. The weapons configuration leaves the raider open to flanking actions, suggesting the Raider's design to avoid protracted battles. Once again drawn wayyyy back in like 1993 or earlier. This ship was part of an Orion campaing called "The Black wing of Death" (original, right?) where the Orions took advantage of instability between the Federation and Klingons prior to Khitomer (Star Trek VI) to wreak havok on the puny federation escort fleets. Good times! This ship would always fly with enough Blockade Runners and Dwarfstar freighters to equal the WDF of the defending force.
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Post by SITZKRIEG! on May 22, 2022 8:31:11 GMT -7
Nicely done with the Bergstrom ships!
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Post by trynda1701 on May 22, 2022 13:02:09 GMT -7
Presenting an Orion Ship, the Orion Blackwing Class Raider! Operating in the infamous "Triangle", while heavily armed, the Blackwing Class raider was not designed to engage heavy capital ships. The Blackwing carries a startling number of FP-1 torpedoes mounted on the ventral command pod and along the raised spine on the dorsal aspect of the ship. The Orion Blackwing's 5 FP-1 torpedoes, though the damage yield is less than 50% of the most current federation technology, and the range is some 40,000 km shorter, the Orions appear to have capitalized on the lack of substantial torpedo armament within escort classes of the major powers. The Blackwing outguns the D-2 Stingtongue but posesses greater durability in combat. Ranges of less than 120,000 KM can be deadly for even the most potent vessels so it is imperative to keep the Blackwing from closing the distance. When outgunned, the Orion cartels usually withdraw, but the Orion Blackwing is a potent escalation of force. Cartels and syndicates equipped with Blackwing raiders should be expected to be more aggressive. Until the discrepancy can be corrected, destroyer squadrons will have to be redirected to meet this threat, which leaves core systems less protected in an effort to maintain supply routes. The Blackwing operates in conjunction with Orion Lighting class blockade runners. THe Blackwing can quickly disable merchant ships and crush most escort class warships, softening convoys for capture by various Orion Cartel Factions. Where there is a Blackwing Orion Freighters are far behind. In such engagements, when possible, escort squadron commanders are encouraged to destroy the raider's freighter escorts. This may divert the Blackwing long enough for convoys to escape or render the raid useless by depriving the Orions of the ability to secure their plunder. The Orion Blackwing is powered by 2 OWA-2 warp engines and the OIC-2 impulse battery, making it very maneuverable (MPR 2/1). The torpedo armament is supplemented by longer range disrupter weapons, bearing OD-4's in 2 banks of 2 mounted forward port and forward starboard. Escort squadron commanders should consider that the faster the Blackwing is maneuvering, the more likely it is to have torpedoes armed. The weapons configuration leaves the raider open to flanking actions, suggesting the Raider's design to avoid protracted battles. Once again drawn wayyyy back in like 1993 or earlier. This ship was part of an Orion campaing called "The Black wing of Death" (original, right?) where the Orions took advantage of instability between the Federation and Klingons prior to Khitomer (Star Trek VI) to wreak havok on the puny federation escort fleets. Good times! This ship would always fly with enough Blockade Runners and Dwarfstar freighters to equal the WDF of the defending force. Nice design. Basically the weapons suite of the Wanderer class, with one extra FP-1. Arcs are forward biased, of course, going by your sketch. Was this stated out using extended tables, because the Mark IV Orion computer from the original Construction Manual only has a max WDF of 40. This tops out at 42.8, if you indeed mean 4 x OD-4s' and 5 x FP-1s'. Note, I think you meant the Freighters that accompany this design on raids aren't far behind it during raids (you said are).
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Post by rabid on May 23, 2022 19:53:46 GMT -7
Trynda, Good catch and I must have miscalculated my construction sheet. I think if it was 2 OD-4s mounted 1 forward Port and 1 Forward Starboard it would be legal, maybe 3 at 1 f, 1f/p and 1f/s?
I changed the flavor text a little bit.
1 of the FP-1's is on the ventral command pod structure, the others aligned in a "missle rack" on the dorsal spine of the pyramid shaped secondary hull. The little wedge out the dorsal/aft section of the ship was meant to be for photon exhaust.
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Post by trynda1701 on May 24, 2022 4:35:53 GMT -7
Trynda, Good catch and I must have miscalculated my construction sheet. I think if it was 2 OD-4s mounted 1 forward Port and 1 Forward Starboard it would be legal, maybe 3 at 1 f, 1f/p and 1f/s? I changed the flavor text a little bit. 1 of the FP-1's is on the ventral command pod structure, the others aligned in a "missle rack" on the dorsal spine of the pyramid shaped secondary hull. The little wedge out the dorsal/aft section of the ship was meant to be for photon exhaust. 3 OD-4s and 5 FP-1s would be 37.6 in WDF terms, so no problem for the Mark IV computer. Of course, if you did want to use extended tables, obviously your original weapons suite have more computers to choose from. On walrusguy site, the Mark V Has max WDF of 45, only slightly heavier and 0.1 SS more, and comes into use only four years after the Mark IV (2266 vs 2270). Hopefully you would still be at 2/1 MPR! I'm just a bit of a FASA purist (if I checked the dates on all my designs, I might be out a bit on the extended Construction Manual with dates added). Probably the only ship I've designed that has used the extended tables is my Brenton class Commercial Cruiser, for the 6/1 loaded MPR ratio.
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Post by rabid on May 25, 2022 8:16:19 GMT -7
Still a fun design, I tried to make it with an achilles heel (no aft weapons).
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Post by trynda1701 on May 25, 2022 9:28:40 GMT -7
Still a fun design, I tried to make it with an achilles heel (no aft weapons). Oh, definitely. Cool design, with some Cartel willing to use it, despite the said lack of aft weaponry. Note, any time I catch something that looks off (in this case, as the Orions are my favourite faction, some little voice in my head said check the WDF total), I always try to point it out, so as to have the designer have their vision for a ship realised correctly. Always meant constructively, and I like your physical design for this class as well Compact and fast looking, as well.
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Post by rabid on Jun 4, 2022 13:29:30 GMT -7
I just finished up the klingon fleet and I got the starships miniatures decal sets. I was going to post more, but I'll finish that first.
I can't wait to show you all what I did with a micro-machine's Enterprise class.
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