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Post by trynda1701 on Jun 27, 2013 17:05:36 GMT -7
Here's a couple more of FASA classic designs. FASA V-6 Gallant Wing CruiserFirst off, the V-6 Gallant Wing cruiser. One of the more balanced and powerful Romulan cruiser designs in the game, and a nice model to boot. Taking the basic TOS V-8 design and modernizing it. Always cool to play this in a game. FASA T-10 Bright One DestroyerHere we have the T-10 Bright One destroyer. Although a lesser design in combat stats, its another nice mini design, extrapolating from the Bird of Prey from The Search for Spock (S-11/K-22 design) with other Romulan design esthetics. I really like this one. And here we have another couple of manufacturers again giving us proxies to use in our games. Citadel (FASA) V-11 Stormbird Cruiser & Irregular DYO15 Hunter ScoutAnother design from Irregular Miniatures for use if you like it. Here it is in comparison to a V-11 Stormbird from FASA. Aerotech Chipewwa and FASA Guardian Renegade Medium FighterAnd another Aerotech miniature, which you could use as something similar to the FASA V-1 or V-4 designs (essentially flying wings), just like the Shilone I used above for the VU-2 Firehawk Missile Cruiser. The mini on the right is from FASA's Renegade Legion Interceptor game. It is a Guardian Renegade Medium Fighter from that game. Thanks again to swede for identifying this one for me on the old forum. We used it as the FASA R-4 Mularr Escort. The plasticard rod nacelle has come off of it unfortunately. Mark
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Jun 27, 2013 19:12:01 GMT -7
Lovely mini's
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Post by trynda1701 on Jun 30, 2013 18:39:47 GMT -7
Here's a couple of unusual Romulan surprises for you all. ROMULAN Y-2 PHOENIX BATTLECRUISERMini design credit: D. Young ROMULAN HEAVY CRUISERMini design credit: D. Young These two scratchbiulds were done by my friend David. He used modelling board to create them, and he gave them both amazing paint jobs. I used the first one as the mini for my Y-2 Battlecruiser stats, and the second one is based on the V-27 / V-30 motif of actually looking like a giant bird in design. David created these, as well as the card Klingon FU-12 missile cruiser that I showed you earlier in this thread, before he started creating the masters for minis that I have showed you from Irregular Miniatures. Obviously, if you are talented enough like David to create stuff like this, it's another good way to get miniatures for your STSTCS games. I'm a hopeless klutz when trying to create stuff as good as these two minis! See reply #12 in my Romulan Ship stats thread for the stats for the Y-2 Battlcruiser here... ststcsolda.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ststcsoldashipsetc&action=display&thread=22&page=1
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Jul 1, 2013 13:04:19 GMT -7
Lovely Original looking Mini's
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Post by trynda1701 on Jul 4, 2013 8:21:25 GMT -7
FASA CS-2 Graceful Flyer Courier and Aerotech Stingray(?)Another classic FASA mini and an Aerotech stand-in, I think the Stingray designation is correct. I use Aerotech minis as long as they don't look TOO close to modern jet fighters (F-22, F-35, Typhoons etc). This one is getting pretty close though! There's hardly any detail underneath this mini to try and cheat and use it upside down like I did with the Shilone and Stuka minis shown as Romulans earlier in the thread. But if you like the look of a mini, go for it. It's your game, after all! Another view of the Graceful Flyer and Stingray!Funnily enough, I always think it looks like the Graceful Flyer should fly this way! But it IS a Damage Chart A vessel, so the engine should be at the front! Citadel (FASA) V-11 Stormbird Cruiser and Aerotech StingrayHere's a shot of the Stingray alongside the Citadel Stormbird for comparison purposes.
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Post by trynda1701 on Jul 4, 2013 9:05:41 GMT -7
Ok, so how about some Micromachines for the Romulans to use? Well, really, there isn't a lot to use for TOS/TMP-TUC era stuff. Basically the original Bird of Prey, the D-7, and the Klingon Bird of Prey Micromachine minis is your lot. So here's a few pics of what minis I have. SFB SL2300(?) War Eagle, Micromachines Bird of Prey and FASA V-8 Bird of PreyThree different minis to use as the V-8 Bird of Prey! Although as I stated earlier, personally I prefer the scale of the SL2300 mini to use for the V-8, as I think the FASA mini is a bit too big. The Micromachine one is just that bit bigger again however. Now, of course, in FASA terms, it's up to you what mini to use. In design terms, there are the V-8 and V-9 designs in this basic configuration. Nowhere like the variation in SFB where there are many variants similar to this layout. Micromachines Bird of Prey and FASA V-8 Bird of PreyA closer shot to show a comparison between the Micromachines Bird of Prey and the FASA one. The Micromachines one seems to be based on the old AMT model kit, with those weird nacelle front ends. Because the original filming model was lost, this has meant for years, there have been many looks to this original TOS vessel. The FASA one looks a bit cooler than the Micromachines one, but as before, you may be able to easily find Micromachines cheaply compared to the high prices FASA originals can command these days. SL2300 and Micromachines Bird of Prey emblems!Of course, if you get a MM Bird of Prey, they come with the Bird of Prey emblem already done for you. Here's a comparison of my hand painted one on the SL2300 mini and the Micromachines emblem. I still think mine is pretty close! Citadel (FASA) V-11 Stormbird and Micromachines D-7 CruiserFor the other canon Romulan design, here's a comparison shot between a FASA D-7 done in Romulan Stormbird colours, and the Micromachines D-7 mini. Yes it's bigger, but you can't mistake what design it is. A Bird of Prey transfer from Warhammer like on the Citadel mini, and you can differentiate between Klingon D-7s and Romulan Stormbirds if you use Micromachines in the same battle! Citadel (FASA) V-24 Great Bird Cruiser and Micromachines Klingon Bird of PreyA comparison with the Citadel Bird of Prey mini and the Micromachine mini as shown before for the Klingons for the L-42 Great Bird frigate. Here we can use this scale for the FASA V-24 Cruiser as shown in Stardate magazine. As said before, it's a little bit larger, about a centimeter wider and about 5mm longer overall. But even with the bright green paint job, its nearly as detailed as the Citadel mini. Give it a more sensible paint job, and the Romulans can fly it as the V-24 with pride.
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Post by thescreamingswede on Jul 4, 2013 10:56:51 GMT -7
Funny you mention the Graceful Flyer looks like it should be used backwards, then have a picture of the Battletech Stingray beside it. I've always used my "slightly altered" Stingray backwards for a small Romulan destroyer (they just don't seem to have enough of them). Unfortunately, some light fingered Louie relieved me of my Stingray mini years ago and I haven't got around to getting a replacement yet.
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Post by trynda1701 on Jul 4, 2013 12:40:49 GMT -7
Considering that I fly minis upside down, flying them backwards should also work! And it's not nice when someone steals like that. I'm about 90% sure that a second copy of the STSTCS rulebook I lost went walkabout at my local games club. Couldn't prove it though!
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Post by rarcher on Jul 10, 2013 5:23:14 GMT -7
Honestly trynda1701 I like your hand drawn rommie bird emblem better then the micromachine one! Just seems to me to have more...style, not like the MM one that is just...ehhh well you can TELL its done by a machine which to me ruins the point of it
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Post by trynda1701 on Jul 11, 2013 11:34:28 GMT -7
Thanks for the compliment, rarcher! Thing is, I used the MM emblem to copy! It was a bit of a bitch to get close due to the more back swept wings on the SL2300 mini, but I managed to get it to work. Mark
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 22, 2013 15:02:59 GMT -7
Ok, I was hoping to post a pic of the two biggest FASA Romulan minis, the V-30 Winged Defender cruiser, and the Z-1 Nova Battleship, but I can't find the minis! Consider this post a placeholder till I find them!
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 22, 2013 15:25:01 GMT -7
Ok, onto my favorite FASA faction, the Orions! So, first of all, the two classic FASA Orion vessels... FASA Orion Wanderer Blockade Runner and Lightning Blockade RunnerHere we have the Orion vessels that signify one style of vessels that I use in my games. The Wanderer and Lightning classes indicate SPEED in appearence in my eyes! They just look fast standing there! BUT, I will admit, even though the Wanderer is one of my favorite Orion vessels, the miniature is a little disappointing. The part of the mini that is supposed to be the outlying 'pods' were the torpedoes are is modeled as a solid 'trapezoid' shape, without any detail. I think the Wanderer gets shortchanged here! Consider the detail of the Lightning mini, with the VERY thin nacelles. Or other Empires minis , for example, the disruptor detail on the Klingon Bird of Prey, or the fine detail of the Romulan T-10 Bright One. FASA could have modeled the detail of the pods easily. Its a small disappointment, but still a disappointment! Still a cool design though! The Lightning itself is a very small mini, but it conveys the look of the design as shown in the rulebook. The stats might not be as good as the Wanderer, but that's what FASA decided. I'll post our Groups updated Lightning stats that my friend David and I devised later.
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 22, 2013 15:41:35 GMT -7
Here's another mini in the style of it looks like it's doing Warp 8 standing still! Aerotech TR-10 Transit as Orion Marauder Blockade CruiserYep, another Aerotech miniature come to the rescue in your FASA games! The Marauder is one of the first ships I designed using the "Construction Manual". I've already posted the stats over on this thread... ststcsolda.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ststcsoldashipsetc&action=display&thread=17As soon as I saw this mini, it just screamed Orion to me in FASA terms. It helps that it doesn't look like a aerospace fighter, which of course works to your advantage if you're Romulan. But this just fits the FASA Orion design estethic perfectly!
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Aug 22, 2013 21:53:57 GMT -7
Nice Minis
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Post by Gorn on Sept 2, 2013 3:51:34 GMT -7
What is with MM making their movie era ships frikkin light aqua BLUE?!?
I use Gallant Wing stats to make the Rom BoP. The old FASA super weak BoP stats are for a scout class BoP - similar to TNG using Kling "scout" model from ST3, with the same tiny bridge, and calling it a much larger and far more powerful version that - somehow - looks identical.
The lightning mini has alot of warp vanes on it - I imagine it to be heat dissipation from a total hot rod configuration of engines...giving it the kind of performance in "Journey to Babel"
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 1, 2014 15:23:38 GMT -7
What is with MM making their movie era ships frikkin light aqua BLUE?!? That always annoyed me a bit as well. I think it could be based off pictures such as this one... Photo credit: Star Trek Mechanics ...which I remember from years ago, possibly in "Starlog" magazine? There were more pictures, giving the port elevation and plan views, but this is the only on I could find via Google. Whereas, in the movie "Wrath of Khan", the Reliant looked more like this a lot on screen... ...which is a 'warm' gray in colour, if you see what I mean? It was the same with the Stargazer Micro Machine mini, which is based on the yellow(!) mini that was shown in Picard's Ready Room, not on the filming miniature! Mark
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 1, 2014 15:39:04 GMT -7
Aerotech Sholagar as Orion Assassin RaiderAnother Aerotech miniature I used to represent my Orion raiders. I used these as they have a similar design heritage to the larger TR-10 Transit miniature that I used for the Marauder Class Blockade Cruisers in our games. Aerotech TR-10 Transit as Orion Marauder Blockade CruiserStats for both designs are on this thread... ststcsolda.proboards.com/thread/17/trynda1701s-orion-starships
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 1, 2014 15:56:32 GMT -7
Citadel (FASA) Klingon D-7 Class Cruiser as Orion K't'chep "Bringer of Profit" Class Cruiser!Remember those eighteen D-7C's the Klingons traded to the Orions? This is what they look like in Orion colours! In my STSTCS games, the backstory mentioned that the Orions named them as the K't'chep "Bringer of Profit" class after the various "Bringer of" names the Klingons used for the various models of D-7's! (eg D-7A K't'agga - "Painbringer", D-7M K't'inga - "Bringer of Destruction" etc!) I'll dig out my versions of the stats that I created for them if I can find them. I know quite a few of us here on the forum have posted their versions of what the Orions did with these vessels, as well as on the Morena Yahoo Group.
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 1, 2014 16:19:36 GMT -7
ADB SL2200 Orion CR and Orion CA RaidersAnother source of Orion miniatures in a different style. The old SFB SL2200 desgns from Amarillo Design Bureau @ starfleetgames dot com. These are obviously styled after stealth aircraft, and that is factored into their design in SFB. For any newcomers to the forum, check out my House Rules thread to see my version of Orion stealth rules (2nd post down)... ststcsolda.proboards.com/thread/23/trynda1701s-ststcs-gaming-groups-houseI happen to like these designs, and there are various other minis in this style which I will also show you. ADB sells them these days as the SL2400 range... store.starfleetstore.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=S&Category_Code=14...which are now pewter, these in the picture are the old lead miniatures. Personally, I find the old ones are crisper in detail. Part of the reason for the new larger SL2500 range from ADB was to release newer, more detailed minis more up to today's mini standards. But if you can get the older SL2200's on eBay or wherever for sensible prices, I would recommend them to STSTCS gamers. If you like the style, YMMV of course! Just my two cents!
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Post by rarcher on Aug 1, 2014 22:22:06 GMT -7
Very nice!
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Post by kaisernathan1701 on Aug 2, 2014 19:35:06 GMT -7
Cool Mini's
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Post by cowboy40 on Aug 5, 2014 15:17:47 GMT -7
nice selection of mini's
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 5, 2014 15:28:30 GMT -7
Thanks folks, more to come.
Mark
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Post by trynda1701 on Aug 5, 2014 16:08:29 GMT -7
Irregular Miniatures DYD4 Wraith Class Heavy Destroyer and DYD6 Loki Class Heavy CruiserHere are two more miniatures from Irregular Miniatures, similar in style to the ADB wedge shaped stealth fighters ones, for your use as Orion raiders. Silent Death Shark Fighter as Orion Master Assassin Class Battle Raider (mini originally called Glaive)Another Silent Death mini, which because of the wings, resembles the ADB style of Orions again. A black paint job, and viola, there you go! Stats for the Master Assassin Class can be found here... ststcsolda.proboards.com/thread/17/trynda1701s-orion-starshipsI used the Shark/Glaive and Irregular minis at the time that ADB weren't putting out many minis, to bolster my Orion Fleet. Today, in the current SL2400 range which is similar in scale to the FASA ones, there are quite a few Orion designs out there. store.starfleetstore.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=S&Category_Code=OM1They can look similar, but that's because ADB has in their game history that in each Empire, ships slowly upgrade, so for example, in Star Fleet, quite a few ships look like the Constitution class, so there is a standard CA, a CC variant, a BC with lower nacelles etc. A lot of their Orion designs however, because of their more limited resources, are made by adding engines or stretching main hulls to make larger ships. Mark
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Post by cowboy40 on Aug 30, 2014 11:48:54 GMT -7
just recenlty I have learned a respect for the Orion ships from FASA. I have just seen them tie the hands of one of the most powerful ships in space. These little Orion hot rods may not have the firepower to beat the large ships of the Federation, but they are very adaquite enough that you can't ignore them.
The battle with the Excelsior and four of these blockade runners showed me that the other night. There weapons fire barely scratched the Excelsior. The only ship that was really able to hurt her was the Wanderer, and this was because of a tactical error. Even though the weapons weren't enough to take the Excelsior down, these little ships on the other hand were able to eat punishment that would destroy a Romulan or Klingon cruiser. They kept eating phaser blast and torpedo hits over and over. The battle lasted for about seven turns before the Excelsior was able to fight her way past them. Excelsior had to destroy or disable all four before she could Continue her pursuit of two stolen freighters.
Orion ships are small but impressive in what they can take.
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